sonar, delta 1010, and a mixer

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hi,
heres my problem today......
i got a behringer (please, dont close the screen yet....) MX1604A as a gift and i want to use it when i record. i need to know how to hook it up.
the mixer has 4 ins and 4 L/R ins. i dont see anything that says "out" except for the the monitor outs and a few aux sends.
heres a link about it-
http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/Consoles/Compact_Mixers/behringer_mx1604a.html
maybe one of you kind souls can help me out? i think i would like to be able to plug whatever instrument is being played into the mixer, adjust the tone and then plug into my delta 1010. then record into sonar.
THANKS!!!!
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Connect whatever device you want to record into the channel strips. (i.e. mic ->Ch.1, guitar ->Ch.2, etc.)

On the back of the Euromixer, you will see 2XLR(Left/Right) and 2 1/4" balanced outs labeled Main-Out. These should be connected to line-in 1 (left) and line-in 2 (right) of your delta.

You can use the control room outs to connect a pair of monitor speakers to so that you can hear what you're recording sounds like.
 
i dont see the "2XLR(Left/Right". i do see
ALT OUTPUT R/4 L/3
is this what you are talking about?
 
I just went to the Behringer website, and for that mixer you should have a total of six connectors on the back excluding the power cord of course.

Looking at the back panel with the power cord on the left and working your way from left to right, you should see 2 XLR connections (main-out), 2 1/4" balanced outputs (main), and 2 1/4" balanced outs (Alt 3/4).

Are you sure that you got the model number right? This is what I was looking at.

http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=MX1604A&lang=eng

If you look at the manual, it shows the picture of the rear panel on it with the connections it's supposed to have.
 
check out page 24 of the owners manual to see what I'm talking about.
 
hi,
ok, i connected it like you said.
drum machine to channel 1, keys to channel 2.
i hooked up my monitors L/R on top.
hooked up main outputs L/R in back of mixer to channels 1 and 2 on the delta.
now, in sonar, if i set it up to record drums on 1st rack with input left 1/2 it bleeds into the keys that im recording and the keys bleed into the drums.
my mind is fried at the moment and i know this is simple.... could you spell it out for me please????:confused: :D :D
 
On the mixer, just move the keys over to Ch. 4. Sometimes you'll get bleed from using two channel strips that adjacent to one another. That should fix it.
 
If you're trying to record them seperately, you can mute the channel you don't want to record. If you are recording them together, the above should work. Using the Main-outs, keep in mind that you'll only be recording one stereo track.
 
im not sure what you mean by "Using the Main-outs, keep in mind that you'll only be recording one stereo track."
 
i hooked the keys up to channel 4 and am not getting any signal. also, when i record the drums, im not getting anything played back to me. theres nothing hooked up to the outs of the delta.
 
The main-outs from the mixer to your Line-in 1/2 on your soundcard. In a nutshell.

You have 12 channels on your Behringer for inputs. Instruments/ vocals whatever. All of these inputs get combined and are sent to your main outs (also referred to main mix). These main outs are your Left and Right channels(stereo when combined) coming out of your mixer and into your soundcard. Your soundcard will only see a left channel and a right channel. If your recording into software you will have one mono Left channel, and one mono Right channel. When recorded, this becomes one track in your computer software.

What most people like to do is record each instrument to a seperate on the computer. The only way I see you being able to do this is setting up drums on channel 1 assigned to the main mix. Set the keys up on say channel 4 and assign it to Alt 3/4.

Now you can connect the L/R main outs on the mixer to Line-in 1/2 on the Delta to record the drums on one track. Connect the Alt 3/4 outs on the back of your mixer to Line-in 3/4 on the Delta to record the keys to track 2.

When you're done, you'll have the drums on one track, the keys on a second track and be able to apply effects and plug-ins to them seperately. Once you are done, you can play back tracks 1 & 2 simultaneously and record them to a new track 3. Track 3 should be your final mix.

I probably just confused the hell out of ya.
 
actually, that all made perfect sense....:D
i guess what i need to do is sell this mixer on ebay and get a real one that has, say, 8 ins and 8 outs? this way, ill be able to record 8 different things on 8 different tracks all at the same time.
is this correct?:rolleyes:
 
like this?
plugging my 8 instrumetns into the 8 channels in the mixer and plug the 8 outs from the mixer to the 8 ins on the delta.
isnt that how i would be able to record 8 different instruments at the same time into sonar?
 
I would say sell it. What you'll be looking for is a mixer with channel inserts. I have the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro with channel inserts on the first six channels. These act just like your main outs do but they work for each channel. For example:

I plug my keyboard L-out into channel 1 of the Mackie. The keyboard R-out to channel 2. My microphone into channel-3. My guitar to channel 4.

Now using the channel inserts, I plug into the channel 1 insert and direct it to channel 1 of my Layla24. I do the same for the other channels Key-R ch-2 insert to Layla-in 2. Mic ch insert to Layla-in 3. Guit ch insert to Layla-in 4.

I now have four seperate tracks. Now once I have layed down the tracks into SONAR and applied the effects I want I have a couple options. One I can record them together to a final mix track 5. I can also send all these tracks back through my mixer using the outs on my Layla. Track 1 -> Layla-out 1 -> channel 7 on the mixer. Track 2 and the rest I plug into my other empty channels.

Since I no longer am recording, the only input the mixer is seeing right now are the outputs from the Layla and not the original instruments on the first 4 channels. This benefits me in a number of ways. I can apply EQ on each channel, as well a pan each track Left or Right. I can also adjust the faders as the song plays back to get the volume levels that I want.

In this case, I have connected the main-outs on the mixer to the Layla line-in 7/8 and am recording to a seperate track (my final mix track on track 5 in SONAR). It is common to make a number of final mix tracks along with individual instrument tracks to play around with. For example. Track 1 is just the keyboard. Track 2 is Keyboard with reverb. Track 3 is Keyboard with compression. Track 4 is Keyboard with reverb and compression. You can see now how the track count can really start to build up.

Saving everything to a seperate track, even if it sucks, is a good practice because it always gives you the option to go back.

Alright, so now we have recorded are final mix to a new track. Say you find something that you want to change, maybe just a backing off the reverb a little. Create a new track in SONAR, and do the same thing you did for your first final mix track. You can now compare the two and see if you like the improvements or if they suck.

In the above example, you don't have to keep plugging and unplugging all of your equipment which is something I find very useful.

As for your Behringer, make sure you've followed the level setting procedure for recording, like turning the volume up on your keyboard, turning up the trim, etc.

Good Luck
 
All i can say is-
Thank you for explaining all of this to me in an english that i can understand. and for going back and forth with me for 2 hours with this....:) i really appreciate all of your help. i wonder if the mackie 1402-vlz is a rackmountable mixer? im gonna have to look into that.:D
 
spacedye said:
like this?
plugging my 8 instrumetns into the 8 channels in the mixer and plug the 8 outs from the mixer to the 8 ins on the delta.
isnt that how i would be able to record 8 different instruments at the same time into sonar?
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to do what you're talking about, you either need an 8 bus mixer or (as evildik says) a mixer with inserts that you can use as direct outs for the channel that the insert is on

with that behringer, you're only going to be able to get 4 channels out of it: main outs L/R and Aux Outs L/R....here's an example of how you do it:

channel 1, pan hard L, this will be main out L
channel 2, pan hard R, this will be main out R
channel 3, pan hard L, depress 'Aux' button, this will be Aux out L
channel 4, pan hard R, depress 'Aux' button, this will be Aux out R
 
The Mackie is rackmountable, although you have to buy the mounting parts seperately. Also, be sure to get the rackmount kit for your exact mixer since the widths of each mixer are different.

Also, I recommend looking at the VLZ-Pro with the XDR preamps. They are the newer models with better mic pre's. No problem with the help since I was once in the same position as you.

Good luck with whatever you decide to go with.
 
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