Sonar/Adobe Premiere Pro Users Help!

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...Reaching out to people who use BOTH Sonar and Adobe Premiere Pro.

I have a problem that's been driving me nuts. I have used Cakewalk's Sonar (v 3.1) for digital music recording for some time now (Windows XP platform). I use the M Audio USB Duo as a soundcard (ASIO drivers, stereo mic inputs) and have gotten very good results. The other soundcard I have installed on my computer is a SoundMAX (internal PCI type), which I never use for recording because it is inferior to the M Audio device. Here's the problem: I recently installed Adobe Premiere Pro (v 7.0) for doing some video editing and for some reason, I can no longer get Sonar to see my M Audio soundcard. The only thing that allows Sonar to show my M Audio soundcard as an available option is if I uninstall Premiere Pro.

When I open Sonar with Premiere Pro installed, when you click on the track input, all that can be selected is "Adobe Default Windows Sound." When you click on the track output, all that can be selected is "Adobe Default Windows Sound SoundMAX Digital Audio" (Again, SoundMAX is my other soundcard). The M Audio soundcard does not even appear as an available option.

When you go to Options>Audio, the General tab for Playback Timing Master only shows "Adobe Default Windows Sound SoundMAX Digital Audio," and Record Timing Master says the same thing. All my available sound cards should show up here, but the M Audio Duo disappears as an option to select when Premiere Pro is installed. The Driver tab says input and output drivers are Adobe Default Windows Sound SoundMAX Digital Audio, and although under this it says M Audio USB ASIO AudioSport Input (and the same under output) it is grayed out and cannot be selected.

I can go to Preferences>Audio Hardware in Premiere Pro and select "M Audio USB Duo ASIO" for input and output but doing this doesn't change anything in Sonar. It still won't allow me to select the M Audio soundcard.

Anybody have any ideas? I even tried reinstalling Premiere Pro several times. No effect. I did a registry clean. No effect. I don't want to have to keep unistalling Premiere Pro when I want to work on music recording projects.

Thanks :D
 
Pull out the SoundMAX card and use the M-Audio Duo only.

I have both a SB Live and M-Audio Audiophile 2496. Sonar 4 and Premiere Pro 1.5 work just fine together.

That brings me to another question - why are you using Premiere 7.0? The latest version is 1.5. Premiere 7.0 is the same thing as Premiere Pro 1.0.
 
I don't have Premiere Pro 1.5 because I can't get a working copy. Besides, I hear that Premiere Pro 7.0 is just as good. I read on a forum that v 1.5 introduced as many new bugs that there were in v 7.0.

My problem is not getting Sonar and Premiere Pro to work together. My problem is getting Sonar to work INDEPENDENTLY regardless of having Adobe Premiere Pro installed. Again, when the two applications are installed together on my computer it is as if Adobe Premiere Pro takes over Sonar and won't let that application have the M Audio soundcard available.

Pull out the SoundMAX card?? That's a little radical solution. I shouldn't have to do that. It is likely that Sonar will then not recognize ANY soundcard. No, there should be some way to have Sonar see all the available soundcards on my computer regardless of whether I have Adobe Premiere Pro installed or not.

Thanks for your help anyway :) .
 
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No, there should be some way to have Sonar see all the available soundcards on my computer regardless of whether I have Adobe Premiere Pro installed or not.

Thanks for your help anyway :) .
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Not if you're using ASIO drivers
 
Huh? Why not? You simply select ASIO driver in Sonar under Options>Audio. That's how I always did it and that works fine when Premiere Pro is NOT installed. When Premiere Pro IS installed, as I say above, I can even go into the Audio Hardware options for Premiere Pro and select SoundMAX or I can select USB Audio Duo ASIO, and with EITHER setting in Premiere Pro there is no change in Sonar. Sonar will only show one option: Adobe Default Windows Sound SoundMAX Digital Audio
 
Premiere uses ASIO drivers also and probably overwrote your Duo's drivers. Check your audio settings.

This is exactly why I told you to pull out the SoundMax - it is your primary audio interface as far as Windows is concerned. Premiere will automatically use the primary audio interface by default.
 
Premiere Pro does not only work with ASIO drivers, though this is an option that can be selected. If I can also select my SoundMAX soundcard (which does not work with ASIO drivers) in Premiere Pro, then it works with other drivers as well, not just ASIO.

Premiere uses ASIO drivers also and probably overwrote your Duo's drivers. Check your audio settings.
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And how specifically can I do this?


And if Adobe "overwrites" files for the M Audio drivers, why then does Sonar work fine with the Duo when I uninstall Premiere Pro? That doesn't quite make sense.

It would also do little good to unistall the SoundMAX soundcard if Premiere Pro is overwriting the Duo ASIO driver ;) .

There MUST be a way to select options in Sonar that will a) allow the application to recognize ALL available soundcards regardless of the drivers required (and that is exactly what Sonar did before I installed Premiere Pro), and b) allow me to select the M Audio USB Duo using ASIO driver while I also have Premiere Pro installed on my computer.

Thanks for your suggestions :) .
 
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Brzilian, I think I finally got it.

In Premiere Pro, I went to Preferences>Audio Hardware and selected M Audio USB ASIO for input/ output device. Then in Sonar, went to Audio>Options> General tab> ASIO Panel and some dialog box popped up that I KNOW has something to do with Adobe Premiere Pro (because I've never seen it in Sonar before) and I finally saw both soundcards listed for input/ output options. I unchecked the SoundMAX soundcard and after I exited and restarted Sonar (and went through the procedure about 10 times before my options would stay the way I set it) the M Audio Duo was now up on the General tab for record and playback. Now, it's reversed: the SoundMAX card isn't on the option list and the driver tab shows the SoundMAX driver grayed out and the M Audio ASIO driver selected. I also checked the box on the advanced tab for sharing drivers between programs and all seems to be working. God help me though when I switch the M Audio Duo to MME drivers to listen to an audio file outside of Sonar. I hope the thing doesn't get screwed up again!

The only thing I don't like is now I get a dialog box right before Sonar opens that says at the top Adobe Default Windows Sound Driver and tells me: "The audio input is not activated. Recording audio is not possible. Please click on the ASIO setup button in the Preferences> Audio Hardware dialog." But I can just click OK and Sonar seems to be working as it did before. I can't believe I open up Sonar and get a dialog box for Adobe Premiere Pro!

Thanks again for your suggestions. I'm glad nothing radical needed to be done for a fix :D .
 
Thanks there Brzilian, but I already have everything running fine. Moreover, if Premiere Pro (remember I have v7.0) installs some sort of wrapper you can't exactly go in and change their program. I currently have both applications installed and can run Sonar 3.1 without Premiere Pro interfering at all. It doesn't appear on my computer that the M Audio ASIO drivers are disabled or not functional any more. As I say above, somebody at a different forum suggested to check the options>audio>ASIO panel from within Sonar, and when I did this, the first time I got a dialog box that was asking me to select the soundcard I wanted to use (and I never saw this dialog box before because it was indeed a part of the Adobe Premiere Pro application). Although I had to keep selecting the M Audio Duo about 10 times and exiting Sonar before the change would take, I finally got it to stay and its working exactly as it did before. Of course, I have no clue if some component of Premiere Pro is still hovering in the background ;) .

Checked that link you posted, and interesting to note that he has the same problem I was originally describing. I can't use his solution though because the M Audio Duo has no support for WDM drivers (only the inferior MME type which does not provide latency of less than 10 ms, and I can't record like that!).

from the other Adobe forum:

"anytime I start up an app that initializes the ASIO drivers, I get an Adobe dialog box warning me that the adobe sound drivers are unable to record." -- true, that happens with me too, but I just click it off.

If there is a "wrapper" interfering, then why can I still access the M Audio configuration manager?

Thanks again!
 
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