"Sonar 3.0 sounds better" - Show us!

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Qwerty said:
Guess that's why they tell you not to mix using headphones :)
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Well the main reason not to mix with headphones is that it totally screwes up your panning and they're not accurate at low frequensies... :)

Mishappen, what are your main monitoring system? And can't you just listen to that? I'm sure that if your signal chain is good enough you'll hear a difference. I did. :)
 
My main monitering system is a set of Panasonic sterero speakers. Besides that being wrong, my "space" for monitering isn't correct either. I'm looking into getting a set of studio monitors, but I'm not sure if it would make much of a difference since my room isn't correct. ???

I listened to it through headphones because I listened to it when everyone was in bed. I'm saving the files for furture reference.

dana
 
mishappen said:
I'm looking into getting a set of studio monitors, but I'm not sure if it would make much of a difference since my room isn't correct. ???
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My listening room sound like crap. I used a Denon PMA1050-R amplifier and B&W 601 speakers. I bought the Behringer TRUTHs (okay okay, no comment please :D) and the difference was huge! Mixing became alot easier since detecting "problems" was easier.

Now, if I only could afford some real studio monitors... but Norway is too expensive. :(
 
FWIW - I just spent about $500 building various sorts of acoustic solutions to treat my tiny room. Bass traps through to diffusers and absorbers for the high end.

There is plenty of information on the net which can help you get a basic grip on this sort of stuff. Do a Google for "acoustic treatment" and "bass traps" -- it does make a difference -- even on top of the benefits which Moskus is describing.

Also if your room is really acoustically unsound you may want to look at an EQ solution on top of your monitors, (which you know you're going to have to buy :)), which can at least be tuned to provide you with a small, "true", sweet spot for you to really hear.

Now, watch me get beaten for saying that.....

Ciao,

:) Q.
 
The top end certainly sounds more 'open,' and that's listening on crappy $20 Labtec speakers.
 
I listened to the example MP3's with crappy headphones, and I still heard a difference.

I got Sonar3 yesterday. I was quite impressed with the sounds of PSYN patches. I really can hear a difference.

I wish Cakewalk would give us a clue as to what is causing this!

Doc DROP
 
if they told you that would be admitting a problem that they said didn't exist....
 
Well, there's a difference, but it's pretty subtle. The Sonar 3 version sounds a little more "three dimensional." The Sonar 2 version sounds a little flatter, more 2-d. I'd really love to hear the samples as .wav files, however.

QWERTY, you might want to be careful around 200-300 hz or so, there's quite a bit going on in that freq range.


BTW, here's where I'm listening....
 

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OzNimbus said:
Well, there's a difference, but it's pretty subtle. The Sonar 3 version sounds a little more "three dimensional." The Sonar 2 version sounds a little flatter, more 2-d. I'd really love to hear the samples as .wav files, however.

QWERTY, you might want to be careful around 200-300 hz or so, there's quite a bit going on in that freq range.


BTW, here's where I'm listening....
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looks nice...but whats in your rack...it looks like you got 4 of the samething...
 
I too had to use headphones because of sleeping family. I find the difference subtle, but yes there might be slightly more clarity in S3.

Just to make sure I did a spectrum analysis of the two. And they are different. The waveforms are not completely alike. Also, the frequency distribution is more smoothed out in S2, which I guess can be interpreted as lost detail?

Of course, I don't know what mp3 conversion is doing here. Could be different converters too.
 
As far as the "acoustic treatment" goes, are you trying to get rid of the sound bouncing around?

I'm looking at getting either KRK ST6 or for $100 more The event 2020. I don't know?

Is there some sort of training out there for hearing the subtle differences in those mp3's, or awhole lot of experience, or just you got it or you don't?

dana
 
Teacher said:
looks nice...but whats in your rack...it looks like you got 4 of the samething...
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Actually, the rack on the left contains an Apogee Rosetta, a Vintech Neve 1272, and 3 VMP-2's. On the right is a vintage Ward Beck console with 12 M480c preamp/eq's :)
 
Just for the record, I am still using Sonar 1 and I love it. I see no good reason to upgrade, except for the newer versions are cool, but cool does not feed my hungry belly...
 
sonnylarsen said:
Just for the record, I am still using Sonar 1 and I love it. I see no good reason to upgrade, except for the newer versions are cool, but cool does not feed my hungry belly...
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And shoplifting is out of the question :) You should see the size of the box!

;) Q.
 
OzNimbus said:
Actually, the rack on the left contains an Apogee Rosetta, a Vintech Neve 1272, and 3 VMP-2's. On the right is a vintage Ward Beck console with 12 M480c preamp/eq's :)
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how do you like the vintech? do they really give kick and snare a bigger thicker Nevesque sound? I'm doing a DIY one...for those main purposes in mind...
 
The Vintech absolutely rules for Kick & Snare. It's also great for vocals, overheads, direct bass (my fav), percussion, guitars & just about anything you can think of.

However, and this is just my opinion, the VMP-2 is a better pre for heavy distorted guitars, acoustic guitars, violins & most stringed instruments..... Snares & toms are also very nice thru them.


As for that DIY project, are you using one of those Seventh Circle kits? Regardless, let me know how that works out for you... I've been checking out the kits, and a few extra 1272's kicking around sure wouldn't hurt.
 
OzNimbus said:
The Vintech absolutely rules for Kick & Snare. It's also great for vocals, overheads, direct bass (my fav), percussion, guitars & just about anything you can think of.

However, and this is just my opinion, the VMP-2 is a better pre for heavy distorted guitars, acoustic guitars, violins & most stringed instruments..... Snares & toms are also very nice thru them.


As for that DIY project, are you using one of those Seventh Circle kits? Regardless, let me know how that works out for you... I've been checking out the kits, and a few extra 1272's kicking around sure wouldn't hurt.
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we're using the schematics a member here gave us (longsoughtfor is his name) we also bought the PCB from him, but we are also using the seventh circle schematics to help some more...well not me my cousin he's an audio engineer...
 
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