Something I'd like to see upgraded in the tablature module...

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I rarely post on the sonar feature I use more than anything else. I teach guitar and use the tab module all the time. It's a great tool. What I would love to see is a phrasing library or tool that would actually insert the appropriate midi effect on the selected note when it's to be bent or played with vibrato.

For example: I play a solo or melody with appropriate pitches using my midi guitar. Say I play a B on the 12th fret of the second string but I want it to display as the 10th fret with a whole step bend. I could then place a symbol over the note indicating a bend, it would then change the midi note to an A and apply pitchbend up a wholestep to the A. Furthermore if the note was a whole note I could apply a vibrato symbol half way through and get that effect as well.

The Tab module has been pretty much unchanged since CWPA9 so these mods in the futeure would be a God send for more complex transcriptions. Thanks.
RD
 
That may be true but not improving something because of such a reason is not really sound. If you can make something better then why not. As is there is not practical purpose for the tab module except to make tab. Why not improve it.

The chord library has absolutely no use at all in a recording or musical context so why is it there? A library of phrasing symbols would be nice even if it did not effect the actual notes. In fact the whole thing could use an upgrade.

Before CWPA9 I looked into Sibelius and it lacked the essential "what you play is what you get" that CWPA9 had. I can assign each string a midi channel and it will tab exactly what I play where ever I play it. Perhaps Sibelius has that ability now but at the time I started doing it CWPA9 was the only game in town that worked that way. They have had my business ever since.

I guess if I want a "freeze" feature I will have to abandon Sonar and use that other program since it already does that. No sense mentioning it here. ;)

Cheers, RD
 
rcktdg said:
Why not improve it.
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Because I'd rather pay for an improved Consolve View than a tabulature-staff-view.... Things cost money! ;)
 
moskus said:
Because I'd rather pay for an improved Consolve View than a tabulature-staff-view.... Things cost money! ;)
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Try this one on for size... It's not a console either. ;)
You should try this. http://www.tascam.com/products/digital_mixers/dm24/index.php

I make waaaayyyyy more money with the Tab module than any other view in the program. I make my living with it. It's pretty important to me. I don't mind paying for something that's important to me.

They broke the tab module in Sonar 2 and I got it fixed. Besides breaking and then fixing it they haven't done anything to improve it since PA9. I would like a library of useful symbols. I pay for it too, as do many of my clients.

Cheers, RD
 
rcktdg said:
I make waaaayyyyy more money with the Tab module than any other view in the program. I make my living with it. It's pretty important to me. I don't mind paying for something that's important to me.
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A fair point, but I still think that the majority would like to see their money spent on something else (like the new Console :D).

The point is that Sonar is not a notation program, tabulature or regular notation. I don't use Notepad to write my reports at work, even if Notepad can handle text just as good as Word. See the difference? ;)
 
moskus said:
A fair point, but I still think that the majority would like to see their money spent on something else (like the new Console :D).
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The tyranical majority wants me to keep my desires to my self? How is that good?
moskus said:
The point is that Sonar is not a notation program, tabulature or regular notation. I don't use Notepad to write my reports at work, even if Notepad can handle text just as good as Word. See the difference? ;)
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You are over simplifying the software in that comparison. I view it as content creation software, not as publishing software. I make variations on transcriptions on the fly. If some one needs something simplified or needs something directed at a particular technique I will create the transcription on the spot. This is not publishing. I am not trying to write a book. I know the difference.

Your heart is gold but sometimes your head is stone. I work with the software 8 hours a day editing midi. To my knowlege there is no other program like it. I want a little tool to make a part of my JOB easier and more effective. Is an improved console view going to help the quality your recordings the least fucking bit? I don't think so. Will it make you play better? Sing better? Write better songs or whatever? It's eye candy. Good plugins and powerful editing tools make a difference.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to a useful view that will make any part of the job of recording easier. That's great. The tab module is probably not going to be around much longer than the next version of Sonar and my futile attempt to get something implimented is sincere. It's now or never. It is a fringe area of the program but it's still one of the features.

If I want to make it my position then I have the right to voice it. If you would prefer I not talk about what I think would be an improvement well... I don't know... Fuck Off. How about that?:D That's sort of what you (as a self proclaimed representative of the majority) are telling me I should do. Think about how rude it is to suggest I keep my suggestions to my self.

Have a great day, RD
 
Relax man... I'm just trying to tell you why I don't think there's going to be any major updates on the tabulatore folks...

Man, you should have heard the people asking for proper notation at the newsgroup... :rolleyes:

I see what you mean, but yeah... I can do what you do... So why don't you just "fuck off", eh? :D


Okay, I'll relax now. :D I wasn't trying to piss you off.
 
moskus said:
Man, you should have heard the people asking for proper notation at the newsgroup... :rolleyes:

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Okay, I see you have been down a similar road. That explains the imediate shootdown. I can assure you this is a different road. I have no real interest in making sonar into proper publishing software. I want what is essentially a midi editing tool linked to a library. It's not too radical.

They already have a chord symbol library with a million different chord diagrams. I want few expression symbols exclusive to guitar phrasing (they do have piano expression symbols in the staff view). The reason I suggested the pitch bend and vibrato are because the are already part of the midi instruction set.If I can click a button and turn an 1/8th note draw tool into an 1/8th note triplet then why not an 1/8th note pitchbend. This is not outside the realm of music editing.

The reason they put the whole guitar thing in there is to make it possible for a person who only knows how to play guitar to enter midi information either through a guitar synth or step recording and clicking notes on the fret board. My suggestion is just another expression tool.

I would settle for a "chord diagram" graphic that looked like pitch bend expressions. We're talking maybe ten symbols at the most.

You're probably right, there will not be any further development in the area of Tab but I believe in record. Writing about it somewhere public is way more likely to lead to it happening than keeping it to myself.

Cheers, RD

P.S. I had a pretty good day "fucking off" :D. I mixed a tune last night that sounded even better today. That is rare for me.
 
Well, as a compromise you could use both Sonar and G7. They both support import and export of MIDI-files. Maybe not the best sollution in the world... :rolleyes:

The only problem about Sibelius'es programs, is that often they cost an arm and a leg.
 
Too many steps cuts down on production. It's pretty intense transcribing a complex song in 30-60 minutes (mostly 30). I will just get by like I have until something else comes along. It works pretty well as is. I can deal.

Thanks for being thoughtful enough to suggest some alternatives. I might still look into G7 to see if they have changed the way they interpret midi.

CHeers, RD
 
<hands valium to all>

I would be happy to see the tabulature properly assigning notes to strings in a manner a "real" guitarist would actually play. And yes, other expression bits and pieces would be nice also.

Unfortunately, Moskus is correct in saying that this is a money driven universe where the biggest bang for buck is going to dictate mass market product's strategic design and direction. It sucks, but that is what it is......

Now take your valium and stop with the nasty name calling.

:) Q.
 
Have you tried PT Editor 1.7? It's freeware and you can grab it here:
http://www.power-tab.net/downloads.php

This in my opinion is THE best guitar tablature editor, or should I say it's the one I'm used to the most. I have tried Sibelius and Finale demos, but was disappointed.

There is a vast collection of tabs available for PT Editor. PT Editor 2.0 has been in the works for a long time but I don't think a release date is available.

http://www.powertab-central.net/sitelisting.php

Cheers,
keraj
 
As far as I know Cakewalk products are the only ones that allow you to assign a midi channel for each string. Use a guitar synth in mono mode and you get 6 individual channels. Tell sonar which channel is assigned to string 1. The end result is the tab equivalent to WYSIWYG.

Other than that you can select a group of notes in the staff view, right click and retab according to criteria of fret span and lowest fret.
 
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