Some questions before I build my next computer

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Dual quads is a bit different than a single quad, as you then run into limitations with Windows XP licensing. It should work fine with XP Pro, but there may be issues with how the OS allocates the resources that Cubase may not address correctly. Anyway, I don't have a quad machine to test with, so I'm only telling what I've found in net research (which is that, as far as I've seen, Cubase at least attempts to use multiple cores). From the Google search you gave, it looks like there are really only 2-4 relevant results (one being where I snagged the photo from), and it looks like Cubase is indeed utilizing all of the cores in that one, and it may just be a problem with the performance meter recognizing that (being that the OP didn't complain about any issues that would assuredly happen if the CPU utilization were actually that high). Anyway, sorry if I said something while being misinformed, but it seems like Cubase does support however many processors and that other issues may be caused by the OS/user.
 
Ahhh, now I see what you mean. Odd. Maybe Steinberg decided to devote the first cores to the program's needs and the others to VSTs and such. Either way, sucks that it's broken.
 
Tim: That was a really, really stupid reason to give me negative rep.

Negging you because you gave an untrue statement is a bad reason? Fuck, what should I neg rep for then? Quit whining, your precious points didn't even go down.
 
Actually they did go down, from 319 to 275. Perhaps things have changed since what I've read, but that doesn't mean I habitually spread misinformation on these boards or don't research things. If you had any courtesy you'd simply correct me, backing your statements, instead of mouthing off at me. Do you regularily read my posts? You're a prime example of how the rep system gets abused tbfh.
 
Wow, we've got some real fucking dickheads on these boards don't we... at least have the balls to leave your name.
 
Oh my God my brain - it hurts. But I'll try.

Hi there all!

Yes, Im narrowing down the post this much. Hi!

...hectic time, but technology and science go constantly ahead...

I've got some questions before I build my next computer.
I'll use it for recording and processing music, using Cubase SX3.
I'll be thankful for all the feedback.

You're welcome in advance.

ABOUT PROCESSORS:
I've opted to chose between these Intel models:
Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0GHz
(Socket 775 - 3.0GHz - Bus 1333 MHz - 65 nm - 4MB L2 cache - Intel
Virtualization Technology)
or
Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
(Socket 775 - 2.4GHz - Bus 1066 MHz - 65 nm - 8MB L2 cache - Intel
Virtualization Technology)?

Is there a big advantage of Quad over Dual cores, now that we're only few
months from the Quad core release ? (And how it comes the higher and newer
Quad Q6600 be slightly cheaper than the older and lower Duo E6850?)

A quad core can handle twice as many simultaneous operations as a dual core. Plain and simple. I'd say if you are looking at not huge a price difference, go for quad.

ABOUT SPEED AND CORES:
-Finally... does the dilemma 'more cores, or more clock speed' really exist?
In other words, does a Dual Core with 3.0GH clock speed work 2x3.0GH
for each core which will result in a double summary clock speed =6.0GH?
Or is it that each of the cores works in 3.0GH, thus working separately on
different tasks, which just augments the overall processing speed ?

Each core of a quad 3.0Ghz processor runs at 3.0Ghz. It is not 3.0 / 4 cores, or 3.0 * 4 cores - think of each as an independant processor, all mashed into one chip. It is obviously more complex than that, but that is the general idea. Multiple cores can process different things at the same time.

E.g. you can't break up a single multiplication over multiple processors/cores, but if you have 4 VST's chugging away on 4 different audio tracks, the thread that is created that runs the VST processing for each can be performed on different cores/processors. As such, there is less strain on each processor in terms of processing used.

ABOUT OS AND SOFTWARE:
-Will Windows XP Pro and my software, especially CUBASE SX3 (!)
support and function with the so called Thread-Level-Parallelism (TLP) or
Hyper-Thread technology, or Simultaneous Multi-threading Technology (SMT)
which is required by the Dual or Quad cores?

That you'll have to look up in terms of Windows itself, first and foremost - I know there is a separate XP available for 64-bit because the way the OS is compiled is different, but I'd imagine XP has multi-processor capability built in. Whether it will work with multi-core processors, I don't know.

ABOUT MOTHERBOARDS:
I must chose between the following:
=>Asus P5K
(Socket 775 - Intel® P35 chipset ICH9R - Intel® CoreT2 Quad / CoreT2
Extreme / CoreT2 Duo / Pentium® Extreme / Pentium® D / Pentium® 4
Processors - Dual-channel DDR2 1066/800/667 MHz - 4*SATA/1*SATA
on the Go/ 1394 - Gigabit LAN - 8-channel HD Audio)

=>Asus P5KC
(Socket 775 - Intel® P35 chipset ICH9R - Intel® CoreT2 Quad / CoreT2 Extreme
/ CoreT2 Duo / Pentium® Extreme / Pentium® D / Pentium® 4 Processors -
Dual-channel
DDR2 1066/800/667 MHz or DDR3 1333/1066/800 - 2x1394 - 12xUSB 2.0 - Gigabit
LAN -8-channel HD Audio)

=>Asus P5W DH Deluxe (this one doesn't support the Quad Core or further)

=>Asus P5N32-E SLI
(Socket 775 - NVIDIA SLI Technology - NVIDIA Quad-SLIT Ready - NVIDIA
nForce® 680i SLIT - Dual-channel DDR2 800/667/533 - Support Intel® next
generation 45nm Multi-core CPU - Intel® Quad-core CPU Ready - Intel®
CoreT2 Extreme/CoreT2 Duo Ready - 1333**/1066/800/533MHz - 8 Phase
Power Design SATA Raid - External SATA - Dual Gigabit Lan - Audio 8
channels - IEEE 1394 - Fanless Design)

Honestly, there's too much there for me to focus on at the moment :p

ABOUT MEMORY:
-Can I use my previous computer's stick of (1GB) DDR 400MH memory
together with new DDR2 1066/800/667MH memory sticks in the other slots,
or it's a crap idea?
-With Double channel architecture, can I leave one pair of slots with
only one stick, or I must always put two sticks?

Don't know about double-channel architecture, but don't mix RAM types. All memory available to the machine is expected to run at the same speed, and as such, the slowest memory is the guideline by which the machine runs all the memory - you will slow any new memory down to the speed of the old stuff, or at least that is how it used to work. Buy new, is unfortunately the easiest way to go.

According to someone above they aren't even compatible, so there ya go - the old types which all fit in the same slot would slow down to the slowest, but if they don't even sync to the slots, then problem solved!
ABOUT HDs:
I plan to make a RAID0 configuration for faster, fastest... at
7200 (or 10,000 rpm but they're more noisy and heat up).
Top brands are Western Digital and Seagate of what I hear.
But what about Maxtor which is manifactured by Seagate?
And is Samsung also ok, I heard they're silent ?

I've had good experience with Western Digital. Every Seagate I've ever had has died a quick but painful death. Just one man's experience though.

Huh.... lot of questions... anyway thanks a lot to those who'll have
the courage for feedback.

I took the challenge and survived!
 
Interesting as far as hard drive longevity.... By a long shot, i have had more Maxtor drives die than any others. The second most that I have had die is Western Digital. In fact, of the 15 drives that I still have going, most of them are Seagate. I have not had a single Seagate die yet. I do not have reservations about Western Digital in general like I do about Maxtor, but I place my faith in Seagate:)
 
Wow, we've got some real fucking dickheads on these boards don't we... at least have the balls to leave your name.

How hypocritical can you get? You whine about me neg repping you for "no reason" and then neg rep me when I sign my name (negging for someone negging you is, I'd say, really for no reason), then whine about people anonymously repping you? Jesus dude, they're just numbers and colors on a screen.
 
Listen I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. You neg repped me, for no reason, so I returned the favor, it is pretty darn simple. Now why some random person would come in and somehow manage to bring my total rep down to something like -90,000 in one shot, simply because I was "whining", seems pretty odd if you ask me. I have been posting on these forums since '01 and always try to be as helpful as I can be. I don't artificially stack my rep so that ought to tell you how much I care about it, but you might see how I could get annoyed when someone who has barely been around a year reps me down and tells me to "stop spouting ignorance" for one of the few things I manage to get wrong.

Sorry to the original poster for bringing this here, that's the last I have to say about this matter.
 
I have been posting on these forums since '01 and always try to be as helpful as I can be. I don't artificially stack my rep so that ought to tell you how much I care about it, but you might see how I could get annoyed when someone who has barely been around a year reps me down and tells me to "stop spouting ignorance" for one of the few things I manage to get wrong.

You know, I didn't neg you just for that post. It was also for:

lol @ the specs of the post above mine.. 80 gb drive? I can use that up in a couple of weeks...

I've been using a 60 gig drive in my DAW for years now, and have never had a problem with it. Everyone has different ways of managing their data, not everyone wants/needs huge drives for recording. If you can use that up in a couple of weeks, fucking great for you. But don't assume that everyone just keeps everything they do on a single drive.

So what then smart guy.

Belittling someone because they suggested a different piece of software is helpful? If you spent a ton of money on software without researching if it will support a setup you're looking at or you know will be coming in the future (quad cores had been a prospect for a pretty long time), that's your fault. If you can't man up to the fact that the expensive software can't use your hardware as you'd like and use a piece of software that can and just so happens to be $40, then you've got some sort of complex. Reaper is a great piece of software and it blows a lot of the "professional" stuff out of the water.

Oh, and I've been around since about '03. New name.
 
If you think I was being an asshole in those posts, then you'd probably have a heart attack reading some of the shit from most of the other "Forces of Nature". Fact is a 500 GB 7200 RPM SATA drive can be bought for around $100 US these days. So it is a little silly to buy an 80 GB drive, and depending where you order this ready made system from, likely fork out just as much.

I didn't belittle him for suggesting Reaper, and I'm a little surprised you don't get it but here goes: Not everyone has the latest version of whatever app they're using, and perhaps it is not in their budget to upgrade their recording software on top of an already hefty hardware purchase. Additionally, many people are not so flexible that they are willing to learn new versions, or change to other software. The way he said it was, well gee Reaper works fine for me - well good for him, but that by no means has any relevance for 99% of the people here. And actually, I happen to be a Reaper user, which apparently you didn't pick up on. So I'm not sure why you are ranting about me "not researching my expensive software", except that perhaps you couldn't see that I was speaking hypothetically, from experience of dealing with all variety of audio enthusiasts.
 
You Have A Lot Of Numbers And Colors.
On A Screen.

Awww, that was supposed to be all caps. :(
 
Just for sanity's sake, what exactly does rep and neg rep do?

Theres a thread on here from some years back where me, SS454, Jake OWA and Sonusman were neg repping each other for the hell of it to see who could go lowest.
 
It does nothing. Though I think you can get so low that your rep bar turns black.
 
Come on, you read and quoted Steinberg's site. Cubase theoretically supports an unlimited amount of processors and - this is the important part - PROGRAMS DO NOT SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CORES AND PROCESSORS.

Not entirely true. From an app's perspective, it will usually split work into functional units and hope for the best, yes, but that's not ideal for really high end stuff where you have multiple CPUs each with multiple cores.

For example, if you're trying to do pipelined work on data, you can get a huge boost in performance by using thread affinity to ensure that threads working on the same data stay on one processor, thus allowing the code to take maximum advantage of the shared cache on the die of a single processor.

You can similarly get huge performance losses by using thread affinity to put multiple threads that work on the same data on different CPUs so that just about every write to memory triggers a cache coherency message between CPUs. :D

For some workloads, if you have a dual core CPU, it may even be better to run only a single thread instead of two. I can't think of any cases where this is true for modern dual-core CPUs, but it was certainly true in the days when memory bus bandwidth was shared between cores.

Now I realize that there's no real prayer of audio apps taking advantage of such advanced thread scheduling, as most audio apps seem to be hard pressed to even do the simple stuff without crasher bugs, but there is definitely a lot of performance to be gained by applications understanding the difference between processors and threads.
 
For example, if you're trying to do pipelined work on data, you can get a huge boost in performance by using thread affinity to ensure that threads working on the same data stay on one processor, thus allowing the code to take maximum advantage of the shared cache on the die of a single processor.


REAPER actually has some experimental modes to keep tracks locked to particular threads (and using thread affinity, to particular cores) for this purpose.. however on both my dual core laptop and on my dual quad xeon, letting the OS move things around actually performs significantly better..

Of course, I'm sure there are situations where it wouldn't, but I haven't tested all of the extremes.. but in quick and dirty real world testing, letting the OS decide was better...

-Justin
 
If this is the Reaper Justin, thank you for the hard work you do. I love your software and aspire to one day program as well as you.
 
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