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Hey anyone out there want to share their ideas? I'm researching software in the $500-$1000 range. Just looking for basic track editing and support of multiple outputs. Want to be able to plug midi in. Any suggestions?

thanks.
 
I use Samplitude Studio 24/96: http://www.sekd.com and
Cakewalk 8 (depending on the tune I'm working on) - Cakewalk has better MIDI interface, but Samplitude is better for live audio and has more built in effects.
 
Thanks for your reply. I'm assuming if I go with Cakewalk I should be set for effects if I buy a plug in or two?

Diane
 
I use Cubase, which I just love. You can find them at...
http://www.steinberg.net/

Check out the Cubase, Cakewalk, and other forums on this BBS for more information and tips. The moderators of those forums will be able to answer any questions you have.

Good luck!
 
Hi Diane,
Yeah, with Cakewalk handling both digital audio and MIDI, you should be set if you get a couple of plug-in suites. Waves Native Power Pack 1 & 2 is what I use most of the time, although Timeworks has a pretty good set in their 2000 release. Cakewalk also sells Direct X plugs that are excellent, but there aren't many mastering tools included to my knowledge.
CMiller mentioned Cubase - I think it's better than Cakewalk on the whole, but there is more of a learning curve with it.
Good Luck
 
I'm looking into Cubase. Trying to find a demo download. Thanks for the info. What plug-ins are you using with Cubase or will it keep me busy for a while right out of the box? My Cakewalk Home Studio is pretty limited.
 
Logic Audio if you're prepared to put in the initial time/energy for the learning curve.

Samplitude is not as flashy as Cubase, but many, including the "pros", swear by this one for HD recording. It is great.

N-Track if you're just starting and don't want to spend heaps.

If you're heavily into sequencing, get a 2nd hand Atari 1040ST and a copy of C-Lab's (EMagic) Creator/Notator (with or without notation). Leaves everything else in the dust! Biggish learning curve but well worth it.

Ultimately, each demands your time and energy so you get to a point where you can drive the app like you can your car.
 
Diane,

Right now I only have the plug ins given to me by Steinberg on a "Guitar Center" cd they gave me at the demo I attended. Not much there. There are many places on the web where you can download free and cheap plugins, try looking on the Cubase web ring...the link below is one such third party developer (one of the better ones I think)...
http://www.dbrown.force9.co.uk/webring.html

Cakewalk is also great software, and it might be easier to use, but I really like the gui of Cubase.

One more thing about the free plugins, I wouldn't rely on those too much when top of the line software's price isn't terribly out of reach.
 
So CM: are you saying that you consider CUBASE is top of the line in this price range? Has it been around awhile then with a proven track record?

I checked out the bulletin board someone mentioned and I was intimidated by a few complaints about the interface and the number of bugs in new releases. That's why it would be nice to see a demo. Unfortunately even with the web ring, it looks like there aren't demos available of the full program?

I would rather tackle the learning curve with a more "robust" program if in the end you wind up spending the same... Cakewalk really adds up when you start adding in plug-ins.

So I'm very computer literate, and very capable of learning. And there is documentation, right? Though I'm new to music recording, I would jump into CUBASE if that is really the most powerful program and you think it's possible for a computer geek to learn it. :-)

Diane
 
Hi Diane, I think I can help you out here as I've had a chance to use almost everything out for PC. In my opinion, for the price you're thinking of, I would definately get Cakewalk 8 or 9, either wavelab or soundforge, and some plug ins. Waves, DSP-FX, and the sonic foundry stuff are probably the best, though Cakewalk has some nice ones too.
Cakewalk is far and away the best of the midi set-ups. Cubase has a stupid interface, very poor documentation, and is an absolute PAIN IN THE ASS to sync. It took me several hours to not manage to get my external hard disk recorder to sync up via SMPTE on cubase, and 10 minutes on Cakewalk without looking at the manual. The general concensus seems to be that the timing is better on Cakewalk as well, an issue when you're pushing the limits of your machine, which you will do. Almost everyone I know who has used the lot prefers to write on Cakewalk. Some take the tracks into Logic Audio after that, but a lot of guys just know they can work faster in Cakewalk. Logic Audio is very powerful, but has the WORST on-line documentation, practically useless. If you're just making your initial forray into PC recording, it is guaranteed to give you more headaches, and you won't be taking advantage of its extra features anyway. Samplitude is pretty nice, but doesn't have the same support as the others. All the others have a lot of really cool add-ons. (Excellent score writing and orchestration untils for Cakewalk). Sometimes you can also pick up used copies from people who have switched platforms, and then pay for the upgrades.
My biggest beef with Steinberg is that they make things look really cool, at the expense of ease of use and getting as much info on the screen. I can set up Cakewalk so that I get a minimum of clutter and maximum information on the screen. I don't want to watch the flying faders, I want to write music! Currently I use Cakewalk for almost all my writing and recording, Logic Audio when needed, and Wavelab and a variety of plug-ins for processing. How fast your machine runs also will affect your choice. If you don't have a flying set-up (Fast drive and chip) then you can't take advantage of the better real time support in Cubase or Logic Audio anyway. Cakewalk is definately the best when running on an under powered computer.
Oh yeah, the coolest plug ins in the world are sonic foundry's accoustic mirror, and Native Generator. Accoustic mirror will make you never touch another reverb until you can buy one for $10 000, and Native Generator is a damn powerful soft-ware synth and modulor processing tool.
Any questions, please feel free to E-mail me.

Iain.
 
Just for the record is Diane the first female to post on this board? As far as software goes it looks like there have been some good sugestions. Here is a link to one of those so called every thing a person wanting to do desktop recording could want for only XX$. I personally don't know if this is the same as what one of my buds got for $100 (what he got was full versions without all the bells and whistles) but it has the same name and it's only $30 ..The catch is you have to wire the cash to somewhere in Russia I think and then they send it to you...maybe.. If any of you have an opinion on, or are familiar with this site sound off. It's called the MP-3 and midi pro platinum CD. Click on the link and then on CD offer and check it out. Buyer beware! http://www.fortunecity.se/kvarteretskulpturen/penselstraket/33/main.htm
 
Don't know about number of females, but I recognize this seems to be a male dominated hobby/interest. What is with that?? :-) Thanks to everyone for all the tips. I'm excited to get going. My Motu 2408 has not arrived yet, but I've got Cakewalk and Accoustic mirror, a great mic and a super set of new monitor speakers. This is going to be fun. I'm sure I'll be back as I start running into new problems. Oh and let's hope a 600 mHz PIII can run this stuff.

Diane
 
Diane, I'm so sorry I haven't responded before now, I don't know how I missed all of your posts...sorry.

If I were you, I think I'd probably listen to what a lot of other people are saying about Cakewalk, because I really only have in depth experience with Cubase, while most of the other guys have experience with everything out there! I do love Cubase, but Ian might have a point about Cubase sacrificing ease of use for a sexier looking GUI (Graphical User Interface...in simpler words, the looks of the software). I found making the switch from analog to DAW was a little easier because of Cubase's GUI. But of course, you and others might find it harder...personally I think I'd go with what the others were saying...they seem to have more experience.

One more thing about Cubase...I saw a demo at the Edina, MN Guitar Center that sewed it up for me. If you can find someone in your area that can give you a demo, take a look. Whatever you choose to do, good luck and please let us know how you're doing!
 
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