Softdance new guitars & REAL DRUMS

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RAMI
They sound the same to my poor ears. Even after conversion to wave file.
For ATB you send me wave files at 24/44.1 or similar. Do you have the original file from your recording?
If you have & I could download that it might make the diff with what others, but not I, can hear.
Can you hear a diff? I can't believe I'm putting you through so much grief.... I think the drum track's ACE!
Any one else hear a diff?
 
RAMI said:
Fuck it, I'm posting the drums: :D

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*(Now that it's posted, anyone should feel free to use it, chop it, loop it, do whatever you want to it. Just give me credit if it ends up on any of your songs.)
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I def hear a big difference!
I'm still pretty convinced the soundclick version in the first post is just simply "soundclick-ized"
 
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=4072258
eyema-,
Thanks for that - makes me a little happier.
This link goes to my soundclick page. If anyone would care to download the song in question & listen for any problem we might be able to isolate whether it is just the streamer or something to do with the conversion process at my end.
Cheers
 
eyema_believer said:
I def hear a big difference!
I'm still pretty convinced the soundclick version in the first post is just simply "soundclick-ized"
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I think I agree. I'm not noticing it with Rami's raw clip. It must be the file compression in Soundclit. I notice weird shit like that with my stuff too sometimes.
 
rayc said:
RAMI
They sound the same to my poor ears. Even after conversion to wave file.
For ATB you send me wave files at 24/44.1 or similar. Do you have the original file from your recording?
If you have & I could download that it might make the diff with what others, but not I, can hear.
Can you hear a diff? I can't believe I'm putting you through so much grief.... I think the drum track's ACE!
Any one else hear a diff?
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My ears suck too bad to hear it. I have the wavs still, I think. But what I sent you, and what I posted here, are 320kps MP3's.

The thing is, if you guys are hearing just the hats and/or cymbals warbling, than I don't think that's Soundclick. If it was, wouldn't you hear it on the overall high-end of the tune???

I know my snare in the mix of the tune doesn't sound the same as the raw track. It definitely has some compression on it. Whether that's the overall compression and or/limiting on the mix or not, I don't know. But the drum "sound" is definitely slightly different in the finished tune. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I like the sound of my drums in the mix, so I'm not complaining. But something is altering the drum sound between the raw mix and the finished song.
 
RAMI said:
My ears suck too bad to hear it. I have the wavs still, I think. But what I sent you, and what I posted here, are 320kps MP3's.

The thing is, if you guys are hearing just the hats and/or cymbals warbling, than I don't think that's Soundclick. If it was, wouldn't you hear it on the overall high-end of the tune???

I know my snare in the mix of the tune doesn't sound the same as the raw track. It definitely has some compression on it. Whether that's the overall compression and or/limiting on the mix or not, I don't know. But the drum "sound" is definitely slightly different in the finished tune. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I like the sound of my drums in the mix, so I'm not complaining. But something is altering the drum sound between the raw mix and the finished song.
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For some reason cymbals - and open hats especially - get jacked when you go from 320kbps to Soundclick's 128. I've noticed it with my own stuff. I don't know why it happens. And it only seems to happen on washy sounds like open hats or if you're riding a crash. I don't really notice it on single crash hits or ride pings. :confused:
 
RAMI said:
The thing is, if you guys are hearing just the hats and/or cymbals warbling, than I don't think that's Soundclick. If it was, wouldn't you hear it on the overall high-end of the tune???

I know my snare in the mix of the tune doesn't sound the same as the raw track. It definitely has some compression on it. Whether that's the overall compression and or/limiting on the mix or not, I don't know. But the drum "sound" is definitely slightly different in the finished tune.
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Yep, it probably does affect the overall high end, but for some reason, those file compression schemes seem to stick out in certain ways more than others. IE, on cymbals.
Remember, we're talking about file compression here, not dynamics prosessing. I certainly don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence, please understand that. Please forgive me if I point out the obvious, but I think it's an important distinction to make in this disscussion. File compression is used soley to make the file smaller. It's designed to take away information, in such a way that "hopefully," the listener doesn't hear it too much. Dynamics processing (compression/limiting) would change the sound (maybe) but not change the file size, at all.
As an experiment, you could send him the original .wav files, and see if that helps. It could be that since the drums are undergoing file compression three times, it's adversly affecting the cymbals (once when RAMI converts them to MP3 before sending them to RayC, and after mixdown, the conversion into MP3 of the entire mix, and then the conversion into soundclick streaming format) However, my gut feeling is that using the original .wavs would only help a small amount, as I just hear this type of problem a ton with myspace/soundclick. I always use www.box.net to upload something I want to share. You can get a 1GB free storage account there for free! I understand that myspace and soundclick are more than just a way to share files, but for purposes of sharing our work with each other, I think there are better solutions.

Peace!

~Shawn
 
Greg_L said:
For some reason cymbals - and open hats especially - get jacked when you go from 320kbps to Soundclick's 128. I've noticed it with my own stuff. I don't know why it happens. And it only seems to happen on washy sounds like open hats or if you're riding a crash. I don't really notice it on single crash hits or ride pings. :confused:
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eyema_believer said:
Yep, it probably does affect the overall high end, but for some reason, those file compression schemes seem to stick out in certain ways more than others. IE, on cymbals.
Remember, we're talking about file compression here, not dynamics prosessing. I certainly don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence, please understand that. Please forgive me if I point out the obvious, but I think it's an important distinction to make in this disscussion. File compression is used soley to make the file smaller. It's designed to take away information, in such a way that "hopefully," the listener doesn't hear it too much. Dynamics processing (compression/limiting) would change the sound (maybe) but not change the file size, at all.
As an experiment, you could send him the original .wav files, and see if that helps. It could be that since the drums are undergoing file compression three times, it's adversly affecting the cymbals (once when RAMI converts them to MP3 before sending them to RayC, and after mixdown, the conversion into MP3 of the entire mix, and then the conversion into soundclick streaming format) However, my gut feeling is that using the original .wavs would only help a small amount, as I just hear this type of problem a ton with myspace/soundclick. I always use www.box.net to upload something I want to share. You can get a 1GB free storage account there for free! I understand that myspace and soundclick are more than just a way to share files, but for purposes of sharing our work with each other, I think there are better solutions.

Peace!

~Shawn
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Thanx for explaining that, guys. I'll look out for it next time I post something on Soundshit. :)
 
Vocal has lots of character. Good guitar, bass and drum performance. Vocal sounds a bit hot around 700 Hz and sibilant around 7 kHz. I’d like to hear the drums punch through the guitars a little more.
 
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=11608
Shawn & anyone else still interested -
This link will allow you to down load a 320 version of the most recent mix. (warning 9.6meg file) Any streamer stammer ought to be avoided and any problem would then be the result of my initial conversion FROM 192 MP3 to wave OR something to do with processing in the mix (only added some bottom end to the stereo drum track & a mastering plug to the final mix - the latter didn't appear to make any diff in the A - B - C comparison above).
Let me know if there are any problems please.
Tim, I'll address the freq issues. How would you suggest I add punch to the drums?
 
It's a little better. I wish I knew what I was hearing. It's just a little warble in the hats. I don't know how else to describe it and I have no idea how to help fix it. :(

But having said that, it's not a big deal. Maybe I overemphasized the warble. It's really a very minor nit. Don't worry about the hats. The drums on the whole are kind of buried now. The guitars and bass are super thick and reverby and the vox are a little too out front now. This is all conspiring to bury the drums. The kick is almost gone. It's definitely lost it's attack. I'd suggest muting the vox, and start slowly cutting the low-mids of the guitars and bass until the kick and the meat of the snare shows back up. If you only have a stereo mix of the whole drum kit, then you're kind of limited with what you can do with the drum sound. You can't really bring out kick attack in a stereo drum mix without making the cymbals ear shattering, so it's best to just leave it alone. So, you have to make the tracks you can control fit in with the drums you got. Start with the drums and bass only and EQ the bass so you get a nice low presence, but the kick and bass still have some seperation. Then add a guitar and repreat the process. It's really easy to lose a kick underneath everything so you need to just be patient and careful with the EQ knobs.
 
I agree that the vocals are a tad loud. Just a db or two less would be good to get them to sit a little closer to the instruments. I'll let you play around with the drums as described by Greg_L. The solos are a good level now I think, nice and present in the mix. :D
 
rayc said:
Tim... How would you suggest I add punch to the drums?
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I've used several stereo drum mixes added to tunes, and found the Blockfish compressor to be invaluable. Dunno if you're familiar with it already, but the "low cut" switch makes it not include the kick's lows in its reading of the level/threshold, so by adjusting the plug in various ways you can shape the drum mix sound with a lot of flexibility that sounds totally different than using EQ or "regular" compression.
 
On my speakers at work: the vocals are too loud.

Great playing from everybody. I hear lots of verb on the instrument tracks, not so much on the vocal. I'm not so big on verb, so my personal choice would be to back it off on the instrumentals. I think it should sound like everybody is in the same space.

Rami, you are a great drummer.

Ray, do you have the lyrics posted anywhere?

This is a cohesive piece. Good stuff.
 
Thanks for the deatils folks - this is interesting as there's NO reverb on the bass, guitars or drums. Hmmm, I'll spend some serious time on this one.
Supercreep - Here are the words:

Soft Dance (berman/cochrane)
On the lounge with the Lizard King
Once the viper, now has no sting
Revealing detals of the plot
Of a legend dead but not forgot.

He'd fallen in love but had no friend
He'd lived on Cheap St. and guessed the end
The soft parade's for the chosen few
When the music's over break on through.

Unknown soldier lies cold in a box
Love's labour lost on a century fox
Excuse me I want you
Please tell me your name.

Unknown soldier lies cold in a box
Love's labour lost on a century fox
Excuse me I need you
All things are the same.

Ghosts crowd the indians on the highway
Selling souvenirs in the cold grey dawn
They're changing names to catch the sunrise
But the muisc's over and the curtain's drawn.

Tell me, tell me, what are you coming to,
Everybody wants to walk and talk like you
They've got the movement, they've got the stance
Texas bigbeat makes you want to dance.

And the band's stopped playing
And the music's gone
Set the sextant properly
Let the credits roll on.

Let them roll on
Let the credits roll on.
 
Ghosts crowd the indians on the highway
Selling souvenirs in the cold grey dawn
They're changing names to catch the sunrise
But the muisc's over and the curtain's drawn.


/removes hat/


Damn, ever read something and think to yourself, "I wish I wrote that"?


Yeah, this is one of those times. :cool:
 
Supercreep said:
Ghosts crowd the indians on the highway
Selling souvenirs in the cold grey dawn
They're changing names to catch the sunrise
But the muisc's over and the curtain's drawn.


/removes hat/


Damn, ever read something and think to yourself, "I wish I wrote that"?


Yeah, this is one of those times. :cool:
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I don't get it. :confused:
 
Supercreep said:
Ghosts crowd the indians on the highway
Selling souvenirs in the cold grey dawn
They're changing names to catch the sunrise
But the muisc's over and the curtain's drawn.


/removes hat/


Damn, ever read something and think to yourself, "I wish I wrote that"?


Yeah, this is one of those times. :cool:
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Ray and Terry have many of these lyrical gems.... IMO some of the best I've read/heard. I have many favorites from them, but if I had to choose I'd have to say Lost Letters is a masterpiece....actually lyrics and music both....:cool:
 
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