Singer/Strummer Separation

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Damned good question Gabriel. Made me stop and try to remember what the problem is. And actually there's not all that much of a problem. I have a strong enough vocal track to have perfectly good balance, plenty of vocal presence in the mix. I'm feeding in just a little of the guitar track in the mix because that's all there's really room for before I lose the vox/guitar ratio I'm looking for. But it provides adequate presence for the guitar and that's all that really matters. I suppose my concern is just that it seems 'wrong' that 70% of the guitar is thru the vox track with the other 30% from the guitar track just as sweetener. I'd like more versatility (and eq controlability). No, there's nothing really broke here that desperately needs fixing. I think the original question was just wondering if there were some tricks I was missing. (And the answer has been--'nothing radical but here's a bunch of suggestions' and I think I'm in better shape now to record some better tracks.

---just before I punched this in I saw JFogarty's link. Beautiful. Thanks, man.

--Jon
 
Good link, Jfogarty!

Glad we could all offer you some help, Jolt. Good luck! Post if you try something different that works. I'd be interested...
 
This isn't completely on-topic, but I thought I'd briefly comment on Gabriel's recommendation of the c1000s. I have two of those mics, and I recently bought an MXL 603s. I did a comparison of the two mics last night, and found that the 603 was better suited on almost everything that SD condensors are traditionally used for (acoustic, hand percussion, etc.). Also, it's about $120 cheaper per mic, unless you go for that 2 for $300 deal that Gabriel mentioned.

I used to be a staunch defender of the C1000s, but since I've gotten a chance to thoroughly compare it to the 603s, I've changed my tune. I still really like the C1000 on tones that need to cut through a track, but to get warm, natural sounding tones, the 603 beats the c1000 hands down. I'm selling one of my c1000s on ebay right now so that I can get another 603, with maybe enough left over to buy a used ebow!:)

BTW, anyone have a used ebow they'd like to sell me for about $50 or so?
 
You could try using an acoustic guitar with a built in mic and use a chord. There are those who actually sound ok. And no bleed.

And Fenix. Hard to believe? Of course you get the best feeling in the guitarplaying if you sing and play at the same time. The playing WILL be affected by what you are singing and how and sort of "follow along".
 
If you need more mixing flexibility you could split the vocal track with the acoustic guitar bleed, then eq them seperately. I think i saw this trick on a link from this bbs somewhere.
Dean
 
just record it separate with a click track and tell him "this is just the way it's done god dammit! if you can't do it like this, then you're not cut out for recording!"

:)
 
P Hallin said:
You could try using an acoustic guitar with a built in mic and use a chord. There are those who actually sound ok. And no bleed.
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Something I haven't tried, but I hear some have had success with is using a guitar with a pickup, then using the Antares microphone modeler to emulate a microphone.

Just a thought,
-lee-
 
Using a pickup on the acoustic wont eliminate any bleed into the vocal mic.

I dont know why anybody would say a 57 isnt suited for vocals. Not my first choice but they have proven themselves in pro use many times over. You would definately need a pop filter though. I like using a 57 for scratch vocals when I need to get right on the mic to minimize ambient noise.
 
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