Simple Loudness Question

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moresound said:
HEY mattr is that a dot picture at your signature line of your post,if so what the heck is it? I can't make it out.
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Its a mundane de-motivational message encoded as a QR code (can be read by phones with a barcode reader app)... has been there for a few weeks so I'll probably change it for another one soon :)

philbagg said:
He doesn't have time/doesn't need the praise. He's a brain surgeon :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:
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I thought he was a rocket scientist? :p

Reminds me of this sketch...

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I didn't get that the OP was from an asshole. A person that needed knowledge yes...

Always blows me away when people here start calling people names and such. I've had it done to me by people who claim to be pro's. I could name their names but they know they lost it. And these are "adults", at least by their birth date.

Everybody missed this guy's point: he's having a Cubase problem where when he saves the volume drops way down. That's what it is, no need for lectures on the Grand Theory of Digital or calling him a dumb fuck.
 
nick_w79 said:
I have just mixed a demo for my mate's band but when my mate played it on his stereo he claims he had to set the volume twice as loud as normal.
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Before you go any further, is there even a problem to begin with?

If your buddy couldn't get it loud enough on his stereo... that's a problem.

If your buddy was able to get it loud enough on his stereo... why is that a problem no matter where the volume knob ended up?
 
Chibi Nappa said:
Before you go any further, is there even a problem to begin with?

If your buddy couldn't get it loud enough on his stereo... that's a problem.

If your buddy was able to get it loud enough on his stereo... why is that a problem no matter where the volume knob ended up?
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Putting the CD on a changer or the files in a play list with other music makes this a legitimate if not overriding concern. It's inconvenient to have to adjust and readjust the volume from song to song. The other side of that coin is not getting sucked into the volume wars.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
Putting the CD on a changer or the files in a play list with other music makes this a legitimate if not overriding concern. It's inconvenient to have to adjust and readjust the volume from song to song. The other side of that coin is not getting sucked into the volume.
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Since there is no volume standard, there is nothing to adjust towards. How do you know if the listener will put the song in-between two Linkin Park songs or two Beatles songs taken from the 1980 masters?

No matter what the volume of your song, there WILL be volume adjustments on a mixed play list.



Aside from that, how can it possibly be a good idea to base your own production choices on outside songs you have no involvement in or control over? I mean, in the grand scheme of "songs that are not the song I'm making" there is more variety than anybody could possibly wrap their head around. Trying to fit in with that is just a disaster... as the sound quality of the past 10 years will attest to.
 
Chibi Nappa said:
Since there is no volume standard, there is nothing to adjust towards. How do you know if the listener will put the song in-between two Linkin Park songs or two Beatles songs taken from the 1980 masters?

No matter what the volume of your song, there WILL be volume adjustments on a mixed play list.



Aside from that, how can it possibly be a good idea to base your own production choices on outside songs you have no involvement in or control over? I mean, in the grand scheme of "songs that are not the song I'm making" there is more variety than anybody could possibly wrap their head around. Trying to fit in with that is just a disaster... as the sound quality of the past 10 years will attest to.
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Well, I guess because all music is interpreted by a listener in the context of all the other music that listener has heard. I agree there is no technical standard, but you can make informed assumptions about your likely audience. This applies to everything about music, everything about art, really. It's always a balance between the familiar and the innovative. You can blaze a new trail, but if you go too far too fast few will follow. You can "innovate" back toward more dynamic mixes, but if you move too suddenly you leave your listeners behind.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
You can "innovate" back toward more dynamic mixes, but if you move too suddenly you leave your listeners behind.
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Listeners are still primarily buying older songs with greater dynamics.
None of the top selling albums of the past 10 years were made within the last 10 years:

1. Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band - Greatest Hits, Volume 1
2. Bob Marley & the Wailers - Legend: The Best of Bob Marley and the Wailers
3. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
4. Metallica - Metallica
5. The Beatles - 1
6. Queen - Greatest Hits
7. Tim McGraw - Greatest Hits
8. AC/DC - Back in Black
9. Michael Jackson - Number Ones
10. Journey - Journey's Greatest Hits

source
http://www.billboard.com/charts-dec...9#/charts-decade-end/catalog-albums?year=2009

So no, you won't ruffle any feathers no matter the volume of your CD. So you might as well go with what sounds best and forget trying to reach other people's volumes.

I don't know where this idea came from that listeners demand loud, but nothing indicates that. Hell, sales numbers indicate the opposite of that.
 
dintymoore said:
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If you've followed this 'newcomputeruser' guy over the past week or so you'll know exactly where we're coming from :p He seems to act like a troll without even actively attempting to be one... that's some impressive skill!
 
mattr said:
If you've followed this 'newcomputeruser' guy over the past week or so you'll know exactly where we're coming from :p He seems to act like a troll without even actively attempting to be one... that's some impressive skill!
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It's like crank phone calls, the best thing to do is ignore them and they'll go away.

I try not to get sucked into their level of sillyness. Life is short... count in the tune! :)
 
Chibi Nappa said:
Listeners are still primarily buying older songs with greater dynamics.
None of the top selling albums of the past 10 years were made within the last 10 years:...
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That's neat info but I don't think he's talking about that.

I think what he's saying is that it sounds one volume on Cubase and when he makes a CD is gets reduced somewhere in the process.
 
mattr said:
LMAO, I have to say you are the biggest asshat we've had on this forum in at least a few months. Congratulations :)

I'd be quite intrigued if you posted the names of these books, and whether they actually explicitly state that intersample peaks don't exist, or just they don't go into sufficient detail to mention them.

Intersample peaks are just a universally accepted side-effect of the interpolation used in the D/A conversion, which is far from a simple 'join-the-dots' exercise. Well, its only the peaks we worry about as they can be troublesome, but the same thing happens with virtually everything passing through the converter and is the whole basis of the reconstruction - remember, the sampling during AD conversion occurs at a regular rate and wherever they may fall on the waveform at that time, not at nice convenient locations at the peaks and troughs of a nice uniform sine wave like your high school textbooks might make out.

If you're really that adverse to trusting the content of that Wikipedia article, I would kindly suggest getting your head out your backside and having a quick Google on the subject, which would reveal hundreds of independently written articles, papers, etc, on the subject of wave reconstruction (and probably some written by the very people who actually design these DA converters).

And I have to say, you've been giving people a lot of mouth and been full of your own knowledge and abilities, yet I haven't seen you post any of your own music/recordings yet. How about you post a song or two of your own so we can see how great you are and give you the praise you're craving so much?
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i will be posting some music for you all real soon after i *know* how *all* the software in the box connects and plays nice together

somebody is playing semantic games with you wrt that intersample peak crapola. not going to argue semantics with you.
 
dintymoore said:
It's like crank phone calls, the best thing to do is ignore them and they'll go away.
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I would love nothing more than to ignore this halfwit troll. It's when (reminiscent of VP) *it* comes in and starts giving bad advice to n00bz who don't know better that I feel I have to chase him down and point out that it's wrong.
 
nope it is :

mattr said:
Its a mundane de-motivational message encoded as a QR code (can be read by phones with a barcode reader app)... has been there for a few weeks so I'll probably change it for another one soon :)



I thought he was a rocket scientist? :p

Reminds me of this sketch...

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