should we keep things general or get specific?

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Garry - I've been an Anglophile since the first time I heard "Love Me Do"! (I'm also addicted to Eastenders, BallyK, Only Fools And Horses, and anything else I can get from the UK).
I agree about the narrow arena. I don't expect my ancillary projects to be first-rate. I'm a songwriter, but I do like to dabble.
I may just write something good by accident!:D

Bob
 
Interesting question and discussion, but I agree with Bob that the answer is both - songs can be generic and specific; sometimes even in the same song. The genres I write for are strong on storytelling ala Johnny Cash, Guy Clark, et.al, but the stuff that makes it on the radio is pretty generic. Has anyone else noticed that often times the songs you find yourself really liking and listening to on an album are not the singles getting airplay? Happens to me quite often.

I'm definitely still in the process of learning to write good ballads and story songs, but a couple things I think I've learned are:

1) The detail is in the imagery, the little things that sourround what the main subject of the song is. The song may be about a romantic encounter, but what keeps a listener's attention is what they might recognize from their own experience - the smell of a lover's hair, the of a touch of a hand on your face or the scent of perfume. Everybody understands the general thrashing around and physicality of the moment, but it's the detail of all the peripherals that keep people listening.

2) What you don't say in the song is as important or more important than what you do say. Once you've given people a detail like "caught a whiff of her perfume", you don't need to say Chanel #5 or whatever; let the listener add their own little detail. It's kind of like drawing a picture and letting the listener color it in.

Generic songs are great, especially if you want to hear your song on the radio. There's nothing wrong with providing people with background or mood music and it takes talent to write those kinds of songs. Lots of songwriters write for specific markets, but I think you'll also find that we write some things for the simple fact that they make good songs. Songwriters also change genres and write for different markets during their careers. That's how they survive 40 - 50 years.
 
Peter D

Just goes to show you can't generalise. I'd agree with you but then I thought of one of my favourite songs - Where Do You Go To My Lovely?, which speaks in immense detail. So does You're So Vain.

Guess there are no quick answers and we'll just have to work harder.

Cheers Buffalo - I'll drink a pint of bitter to you (my favourite TV shows are American!).
 
i'd have to say that it goes both ways.

For example, the new Sigur Ros record is sung entirely in non-words... meaningless syllables.. the idea is that the listener can hear whatever they want in the songs, and make the experience entirely subjective. The result is one of the most emotionally powerful albums i've heard in years.. although I swear i can hear them saying "You sat along the fire / You saw the light" at various places on the record.

Conversely, Belle And Sebastian use precise, specific lyrics to great effect:

"She had a stroke at the age of 24
It could have been a brilliant career
Getting clients to finance her strategies
Filling time in on Safeways on Saturday
She wears the clothes of an emperor
But her paintings are a sham
And they're going for a grand
When the dealers come to view
Do they ever see the real you?"

To me, as a listener, emotional weight is more powerful than relatability. The specific story of a specific girl can be just as emotionally powerful as a series of meaningless vocables, as long as they both carry emotional weight.
 
beingabeta,

that's a songwriting challenge I've been meaning to try.

Has anyone here written a chorus or outtro with only sounds, la-la-la's, whoa's or grunts? Good example of catchy jibberish, Hey Jude's Na-na-nah's. . .
 
Keep your verses general, your choruses specific and your bridges expansive.
 
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