Shiny Box Ribbon Mic, RNP noise, oh my!

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Sonic Idiot said:
...which hopefully won't compel some maroon to contend why I should give my money to some fuck-o in a studio instead of learning how to do it myself.
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maroon?

Anyway, you obviously missed my point entirely and were in fact offended otherwise you wouldn't be calling me nasty colors. What I was saying is that either let a pro do it or learn how to do it yourself. I would never tell anyone not to try to learn something. My problem with your statement is that you weren't trying to learn. You're trying to take the easy way out and not really see how these tools we use work. I would also imagine that many of these "fuck-o's" in the studio would have been able to tell you that ribbon mics do have self noise, and a mod’ed version of a cheap Chinese ribbon mic probably has more self noise than the average ribbon mic.

In the future I'll try to be less maroon and more chartreuse. ;)
 
Man, all I'm saying is you don't need to grow your own wheat to make bread anymore. I'm not interested in being a studio idiot who steals money from crappy bands, so I don't need the degree necessary to achieve that feat. I just wanted to talk about the RNP and the Shinybox Ribbon mic, that's all. For Jimminey Christ on a Pogo Stick if you can't post something around here without people mucking it up.

But, OneRoom, I mean, this is message board, I really don't care. Again, no offense. Just stay focused - F.O.C.U.S. on the topic -- TOPIC. And that goes for everyone - including me at this point!
 
Sonic Idiot said:
if I were a goddamn electrician that might mean something to me.
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Seems like a natural response to hostility. You might be more careful how you put things, unless what you really want is drama.

PS: Robert Johnson may not have known scales, but he had the ability to listen, there may be a lesson here, hard to say. :rolleyes:
 
God you people are so much more interested in being tools than in discussing my ribbon mic and my pre amp. RPD - do you have anything to say about my mic and pre? Are you listening? Did you even read the post? Do you know how stupid emoticons are? Do you need them to express your sentiment?

I took the time to create and post a snippet of audio expressly for the forum. Anyone made uppity by the word "goddamn" should goddamn grow up. If I wanted your retarded musings on how I might learn lessons from Robert Johnson I would have asked for one. FOCUS ON THE TOPIC, RPD...FO-CUS.
 
Sonic Idiot said:
Man, all I'm saying is you don't need to grow your own wheat to make bread anymore. I'm not interested in being a studio idiot
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Well, define studio idiot... :D

You wondered why your RNP is noisy, and I gave you an explanation: equivalent input noise.

Now you're saying, you "have to work entirely in practice." That's fine with me, but why are you asking then? You already found out that the RNP is noisy at high gain.

Besides my explanation would mean little to an "eletrician." I know guys who studied electronics. They wouldn't know anything about EIN or microphone self noise. That's stuff that a studio owner or engineer ought to know about. It's the kind of knowledge that helps you to cut down on experiments that are bound to fail and spend more time making usable recordings and/or creating music.
 
Sonic Idiot said:
God you people are so much more interested in being tools than in discussing my ribbon mic and my pre amp. RPD - do you have anything to say about my mic and pre? Are you listening? Did you even read the post? Do you know how stupid emoticons are? Do you need them to express your sentiment?

I took the time to create and post a snippet of audio expressly for the forum. Anyone made uppity by the word "goddamn" should goddamn grow up. If I wanted your retarded musings on how I might learn lessons from Robert Johnson I would have asked for one. FOCUS ON THE TOPIC, RPD...FO-CUS.
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errr, apart from the open hostility in your post: the "retarded" link to your "goddamn" audio snippet doesn't work...
 
I have read the thread, and people have intelligently answered your questions. You are getting mad because they are not the answers you wanted?

:confused:
 
These are those I asked:

A) Will this preamp solve my hiss problem?

-or-

B) Am I too stupid to know how to use my RNP?

And also:

My statement, "ribbon mic = no self noise" is parroted from other sources. I really have no idea. The queston is, why would that be said? Is there a real justification for it or is it just sales-speak?

I did not ask for a rant about why people shouldn't record themselves. If you're interested in answering the questions in the post, thank you. If not, please make your own post to ruin.
 
You are right, the mic sounds great.
I had imagined the noise would be much worse, but i don't think it is your mic I'd speculate (as they stated before) that is coming from your RNP.

If you have a noisey computer in your room i'd build a box for it, or try to get some quieter fans, along with a pre that is more suited for ribbons.
 
I'm recording in a pretty quiet room seperate from where the computer is, refridgerator off, etc. The hiss kicks in noticable when I turn the RNP gain up from 54 to 60 or 66. Some noise is expected at that level, and in this case it is acceptable for louder things...percussion for instance. But it's just too noisy for guitar, I think. I'll A/B the RNP and the Studio Projects Pre as soon as I can and post the results.
 
If the problem is in fact the RNP, and the SP pre isn't any better, Grace makes a pre specifically for ribbon mics (101Ribbon) wich runs at around $550.
 
Sonic Idiot said:
I'm not offended by oneroomstudio, ... a pointless rant from a boob who doesn't get it.
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I can see that you're not offended at all :D
 
Sonic Idiot said:
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Your input appreciated. I should mention about the sample: yes, I tried EQing out the hiss, which worked somewhat, but of course it also ruined the character of the sound.
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Sorry, maybe I have bad ears, but I can't hear hiss. Maybe some graininess. I looked at the wav in a spectrum analyser and see some noise floor about 50db down in the first half second. Maybe if you provided another wav where the guitar isn't playing for the whole thing.
 
Yeah, I should have had some silence in there for reference. I'm going to regroup and do a better test/posting of all this when I've got a few minutes. Still, perhaps hiss is the wrong word...the noise floor is high. The preamp is loud. The sound isn't hiss but simply the sound an RNP makes when on 66, which is too much for acoustic guitar.
 
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