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I've been interested in setting up a home studio for years now and just finally got round to it and purchased the new model mbox mini, m audio av20 monitors and mic pretty much identical to the sm58, i also have a behringer Xenyx mixer i bought last year, but have no idea how to use it, let alone connect it up.

Nothing seems simple when it comes to setting things up and don't even think I have the correct cables to set everything up with, which is the thing that confuses me the most cause I just don't know what to use, I think i need to use 2 of them RCA - 1/4 plugs.

Everything just seems a little overwhelming, last night, connected my headphones up, and seemed to have recorded pretty good quality, today, I'm wripping my hair out over it, the recording volume is just too low.

I produce my own tracks, and wanted to get on itunes this year, so my recordings needed to be as best as possible, but I don't want to go to a recording studio, because for a start it just costs too much and secondly i really want to do everything myself, it's just figuring out how to do it.

I'm sorry I sound like a total newbie, but I don't know what to do, or who to speak to, to help me out.

Thanks.
Alex
 
You have one big option/decision to make and that is whether to use your mixer. To my thinking there are two reasons you might want to use it:

A - If you want to leave some things hooked up all the time, like a line out from your guitar amp or pod, Audio line output from a keyboard, and or audio output from an electronic drum module or some such. With the mixer you can have these wired up all the time and just move the sliders up and down to have access to them.

B - If you want to record more than two things at once.

If neither of those applies, then for now I'd say put the mixer on a shelf and just work with the Mbox Mini. Either way, the connections for the Mini are the same:

1 - On the back of the Mini there are two 1/4" outputs labelled "Monitor Out". These need to get routed to the Red and White RCA jacks on the back the left monitor. (The monitors should have come with a wire for connecting the right speaker to the left speaker. It will connect to the red and black push tab connectors on each speaker). Now since you have 1/4" outs on the Mini and RCA ins on the monitor you need adapters. You can get what you need at Radio Shack or online. There are two options - adaptor cables that have a 1/4" plug on one end and an RCA plug on the other. These will work very nicely. alternatively, you can get plug adaptors that have a 1/4" plug on one end and a female rca jack on the other. These basically convert a 1/4" output to an RCA output. Then you use a normal RCA cable pair to connect from there to the monitor inputs. I like the adapter cable solution a little better, because there's just the cord to worry about, but either setup will work just fine.

2 - You to run the standard USB cable that came with the Mini from its port on the back of hte mini to a USB port on your computer.

3 - You plug your headphones into the headphones jack on the front of the Mini. You may need an adapter here too if your headphones have an 1/8" plug or if you are using earbuds. A simple 1/4" Male to 1/8" Female jack adapter can be had at Radio Shack to solve this problem.

4A (No Mixer) - Now, If you are not planning to use the mixer, you plug your microphone into the mic jack on the back of the Mini and whatever other couple of instuments you want to use into the Line in/DI jacks using standard 1/4" Instrument Cables. You can use TRS cables, but good quality standard cables should work just fine. Line 1 and the Mic share a single actual input to the computer. You select which one you want to use by pushing the little Mic/DI button just down and to the left of the mic input (looking at the back of the unit). Note that for both inputs there's a -20dB button on the back of the unit (it is labelled 'Pad'). Use this if your source signal level is high. You will know this if you have to have the gain knob on the front panel really low to get the right recording level in your software. For your mic or for most instrument outputs these would not be engaged. Finally, on the back panel there is one more button labelled 48V. For your current Mic, you want this button out. If you ever buy a condenser mic that calls for "Phantom Power" you'll click this button in to provide power for the microphone. Kindof important note. Turn your speaker volume all the way down whenever you click this button in or out because it might create a really loud "pop". Also, whenever the button is in, do not plug in or unplug the microphone. Turn 48V off, wait a few seconds, plug or unplug the mic, then turn it back on.

4B - (With mixer) If you do want to use the mixer, you'll want to run a pair of 1/4" instrument cables (or better yet TRS cables) from the Main Outs on the mixer to the 1/4" Line 1 and Line 2 Ins on the back of the Mini. You'll click the Mic/DI button IN, to select Line 1 rather than the mic input. Depending on what mixer you have you may or may not want the 'Pad' buttons In, but whichever it is you will want them both the same way (both in or both out). You want the 48V button out, as you aren't going to use the mic input at all. You didn't say which Xenyx mixer you have. I think they all have 1/4" main outs, but if by chance it only has RCA outs, you'd do the same thing you did for connecting the monitors 1/4" to RCA cable adapters or jack adapters. Now you plug your microphone and instruments into the mixer and away you go. You'll want to set the gain knobs on the Mini to the same level for each channel and adjust them so that you get proper recording levels when you mixer output fader is sitting somewhere near zero. Before making this adjustment you'd adjust the channel trim on the mixer so that the mixers output meter shows peaks at just below zero or occasionally touching zero with the channel fader set at zero (12 noon if the channel fader is a knob). Important note - when I say channel fader at zero, I mean 0dB gain according to the scale along side the slider knob. That will be about 3/4 of the way up, not all the way off. If you find that to get all this lined up the gain knobs on the mini have to be turned really low, click in the 'pad' buttons. This will let you turn them up to the middle of the range. Once you get this all set, leave those gain knobs alone and manage your signal levels at the mixer.

It think that's about it... Have fun and feel free to ask more questions. If anybody sees anything I've gotten wrong, chime in (as if anybody that knows is actually gonna read all this! Ha! :D

J

PS - I haven't addressed configuring your computer to see and talk to the mini. That's a little beyond what I can explain here, but here's a link to the getting started guide that will explain all this. It's way ProTools slanted, but the basic process should be the same for whatever software you want to use.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...oq30Cw&usg=AFQjCNE5DsLxxRkcFgTEPdua0cihfuD6iw
 
Thank you

I'm pretty speechless..

WOW what a perfect reply, thanks SOO much, really couldn't have been explained better and has made me feel MUCH more optimistic now.

I'm sure things will be sounding much better when I have all the proper cables, just will need to work on sorting out the levels as it always seems to be either too quiet or too loud, theres never no in between.

Could I ask something else, while I am here :)
When the mic is plugged into the mbox mini straight away, I can hear sound from it, before I even go into my software and I don't want that to happen, as this limits me from live recordings with VST plugins, how do i set it so i only hear output from the mic when i set cubase to live mode

I dont think im gonna bother with my mixer, im happy with juss my mbox, well if it will start doing what i want it too hahah.

THANKS again!!!
 
That's what the mix knob is for on the Mini. Crank it all the way to the right and you will only hear what's coming from the software. Crank it all the way to the left and you'll only hear your input signal, so if you want to monitor through your software, crank it all the way to the right and turn on your monitor output ("Live" mode I think you called it) in the DAW. Be careful, though. "Live" mode in your software may come with a bit of time delay. This can range from practically non-existent to a minor annoyance to completely impossible depending how much the processor is having to do to keep up. If you start experience difficulty keeping things in time or in tune, you may want to try going back to hardware monitoring only (mix knob in the middle somewhere, and monitor mode off in the software). My computer is a dinosaur, so software monitoring never works for me at all. Maybe with newer computers this isn't a big deal. So if you don't sense any time delay in your monitor signal, just keep that knob cranked right and monitor in your software to your heart's content! :)

J
 
So I got my cable through the post today, was all excited, to finally be able to get things sorted, but things are never that simple I guess..

I'm getting a real annnoying like LOUD crackle noise every now and then, kind of piercing, just listening to music, then BAM it will come out, i dont get it, use to do this sort of thing with an old usb soundcard and speakers too, I have my mbox mini plugged directly into my laptop, then monitors plugged into inputs in mbox, I dont understand why this crackle noise coming out, so upset :(, dunno what to do.
 
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