Setting Up Sonar?

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Hello to all.

I have a serious issue here, I am NOT about to record AUDIO more than once, for something that is called TRACK BLEED.
Thats an old school term, that means that after you record on lets say TRACK ONE,,,,while the recorded TRACK ONE is playing,,,arm TRACK TWO, and TRACK ONE is being picked up on TRACK TWO.

Here is my setup, and I really need help getting things to work so I can record multiable AUDIO TRACKS...SO THANKS IN ADVANCE:

SETUP:

MACKIE DFX 12 MIXER
M-AUDIO DELTA 1010 LT SOUNDCARD.
SONAR 6.2
WINDOWS XP MEDIA CENTER EDITION
YAMAHA MOTIF XS, ES.
REASON 3


INTERGRATED SOUND CARD IS AN OPTION
EVEN WITH THE PC's SOUND CARD, I STILL CAN'T RECORD MORE THAN ONE TRACK, WITHOUT THE PRE-RECORDED TRACK BLEEDING OVER INTO THE NEW TRACK.

AGAIN, THANKS IN ADVANCE.


J W CARTER
 
I would look into how you have your Delta software mixer set-up. It is pretty flexible, so you might have something set improperly there.

However, if the bleed is on the quiet side, the mic could possible be picking up your headphone playback. This is particularly true if you are using a condenser mic which picks up everything. If so, you either need better headphones, or you need to turn them down a bit.
 
I had this problem too; and it was a issue with my USB interface. Basically I had the inputs turned up too high and if I turned them down just slightly the problem went away.
 
Sonar

Well I went through the phases of the setup, and NOPE, that was not the issue, it seems it's the operating system Windows XP Media Center Edition,,it is NOT supported by any hardware or software by M-Audio.

I have to change the OS it seems. BUMMER
 
I suspect the problem is more in your mixer routing/monitoring than the computer side of things. Even if M-Audio doesn't support WindowsXX, it IS recording, right?
We see numerous posts like this where someone keeps recording the metronome onto their track. Take a good look at where all you signals are going. Draw a signal flow chart if neccessary.
Somehow, you are sending the recorded signal back to the input.
 
I agree with dachay2tnr and mikemorgan. The problem has to be either routing or bleed from another source.

There is a very short tutorial in the 1010LT manual on page 39 (I'm looking at the PDF manual from the M-audio site). It describes how to set the routing for a basic multitracking/monitoring setup. Try this tutorial and see if you are having the same problem.
 
I have two delta 1010lt cards I use them with windows xp pro. THey work fine, I use to get bleed but that was usually caused by my condenser picking up the cans or I had not turned the monitor knob down on the mixer so the playback track was going direct to the recorded track.

How do you route your output signal? If you send your output back to the mixer and have the knobs down it is probably the mixer.

I record a track through input on say channel one monitor send on mixer-which has both a main output and a monitor output and playback through delta channel 1/2 into channel two set to only send the signal through the main output (ie; monitor knob is off) I play this track back and record again using channel one sent to the monitor send, while the main output is monitored via cans-- no bleed.
Check to see if your set up is similar, if not and you are sending your output direct to speaker then it is in the computer- which means you might have the m-audio mixer set to monitor the output signal causing a direct loop to your input.

Definitely check your signal chain and if you still have the problem post your input output chain here so we can better assess the situation.
 
:( In Sonar 6.2 I see the input and output as being ONE IN and ONE OUT.

HERE IS HOW I HAVE MY SYSTEM SETUP:

MACKIE DFX12 + DELTA 1010 LT

The Delta soundcard's XLR cables are pluged into the Macki's Main outs.
The Mackie's output jacks 1/4 are connected to MSP5 monitors
On the Mackie mixer, there are RED AND WHIT jacks that says TAPE IN and TAPE OUT both with Red-right and White-left.

My understanding says to take an RCA cable and hook one end to the brakeout cable 3/4 OUTPUT to the Mackie's TAPE IN jacks
Then take the 3/4 input of the brakeout cable,,on the Delta and connect it to the TAPE OUT jack on the Mackie.

Now I see the sound in the mixer of the Delta,,,it shows up on the MAINOUT and next to it is the 1/2 OUTPUT,,,and side scroll over to the 1/2 input level, it's lighting up as well.

In Sonar it says 1 in and 1 out

I want to be able to hear the music on one track, while I record vocals on another track, without the music going over to the vocal track,,,then I want to add other vocal tracks as backup vocals,,but without having them BLEED over into another track.

OH AND MY MIC IS IN THE FIRST MIC INPUT ON THE MACKIE

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG.

A dumbed down STEP-BY-STEP would work here, for I'm an amiture.


TIA
 
The only Inputs to the Delta should be from the buses on the Mackie. You route the channels on the Mackie to buses, yes? If you only have two buses (L & R), you send everything that you are recording into the left buss, and everything you want monitor to the right. If you have four busses (and I think you do), route new material through buss 1 and 2, and monitor what's coming back from bus 3 and 4. If your mixer has send and return switching, you don't even have to use busses.

Your main problem is knowing how to route signal and monitor from the Mackie it seems. As always, read the manual and use examples from it. Most of the Mackie manuals are pretty good. When it says "to tape" from tape" just read it as Delta in and out.

The outs from your Delta should be going to individual channels.
The ins to your Delta should be coming from busses, or channels inserts.

Hope this helps.
 
mikemorgan said:
The outs from your Delta should be going to individual channels.
The ins to your Delta should be coming from busses, or channels inserts.

Hope this helps.
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His Mackie has four channel inserts. I would use these for the recording inputs. Insert the jack only halfway into the connection (i.e., just to the first click), and it will work as a direct out. Feed that signal(s) into your Delta's input(s).

If you feed the Mackie's main outs back into the Delta, you are going to record everything that goes through the Mackie. The Main Outs should be where you are connecting your speakers.

As mikemorgan said, you need to read the manuals and learn your equipment. Your problem isn't with Sonar.
 
dachay2tnr said:
His Mackie has four channel inserts. I would use these for the recording inputs. Insert the jack only halfway into the connection (i.e., just to the first click), and it will work as a direct out. Feed that signal(s) into your Delta's input(s).

If you feed the Mackie's main outs back into the Delta, you are going to record everything that goes through the Mackie. The Main Outs should be where you are connecting your speakers.

As mikemorgan said, you need to read the manuals and learn your equipment. Your problem isn't with Sonar.
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Yep. Use the inserts as direct outs on the board. Looks like you will need to get some adapters from 1/4 inch to RCA to go into your card, far as I can tell. The only thing you'll be using to adjust recording levels on the board after that is the trim/pre knob.



F.S.
 
Please allow me to try to understand what is being taught to me here.
First I must admit I am leagally blind, and sometimes it's an eye strain to read,,so I find the .PDF manuals very useful.

OK, not to what was said abouting inserting the mic only to the first click in one of the FIRST insert slots on the Mackie? DId I get that correct?

Ok, what should I connect into the TAPE IN and TAPE OUT. on the Mackie?
Now I have to crawl back under my desk and find the correct cables to hook up to the mackie. and give this a try.

I think I read that on the Delta, there are 4 ins via channels 3/4 5/6 7/8
Why are they paired, and make that 6 ins,,,,and the unbalanced MAIN OUTS of the Mackie are hooked up to my Monitors.

I am NOT using the XLR cables.

Ok, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE make it simple,,my bad eyesight has equaled not much of an education.

So, I already have my Motif XS hooked up to the Mackie in slot 11/12
I have ONE Mic that has a 1/4 inch jack on the end, and this mic has an on and off switch,,,and it only picks up what is directly up close and in front of it
It's an AKG D 660 S
iN which jack to I plug that into?
I have plenty of RCA cables, and even some 1/4 inch adaptors to plug into them, if needed.

PLEASE WALK ME THROUGH THE HOOK UPS.

Sorry for not having the means to clearly explain myself.
I just create music, all day, everyday, and post it on the internet for free, for the real musicians to get good ideas from, and make records.
In which I love to hear some parts of melodies I created and posted.

THANK YOU PEOPLE SO MUCH,,,I AM GLAD MY FRIEND SENT ME A LINK TO THIS HOME RECORDING WEB SITE.

THANKS MANY TIMES AGAIN
 
You're kidding about not knowing where to plug the mic in, right? You have a Motif, a Mackie board AND Sonar 6?

Don't connect ANYTHING to tape in or tape out.

Connect your instruments to each channel, 1,2,3.

For each channel that has something pugged into it, plug a 1/4 jack partially into the insert of that channel. The other end goes to the Delta ins.

Plug 2 cables into the outputs of the Delta and route them to any two of the channels you have left.

turn all faders up and start recording.

this is the simplest way to see it. Your instruments are going into the mixer AND being sent to your interface at the same time. what comes from the interface is going into two other tracks.
 
plug the mic into the mic input on the mackie.

Plug a 1/4 inch cable (to the first click) into the insert jack on the same channel you plugged the mic into on the mackie.

Run that cable into the input on the delta card. You may have to use a 1/4 inch to rca adaptor.

That is how you route the microphone to the soundcard. Do NOT use the tape out just because it is the same style jack.

Plug your mic into channell one on the board. Your motif into channel 2 & 3 on the board and do the same thing with the inserts for the motif.

Channell 11 & 12 do not have inserts so they are only good for live use, not recording.


Hope this helps

F.S.
 
LOL I am very new at this, and had no idea that this was the way to do it.
Yes I have the Motif in 11/12 amd it did record, but I like you alls way much better, and it makes some since even to me.

LOL I knew where to plug the mic,,,plug it into the mic jack.
HOWEVER,,I had no idea what that inset jack was for.
I have 1/4 adaptor jacks,,,,MAN O MAN THANKS SO MUCH.

I am not in the studio right now, so I can not test it, but I know it will work.

You people are the best.
I have lots of reading and studying to do on this Home Recording Site.
I think I will add a link with my username at the following website where I post the bulk of my FREE music.

www.motifator.com

Some of you may already know me

J W Carter
Ole Jerry
Jerry77028

Ring a bell if you ever visited the motifator website? lol


THANKS AGAIN,,,AND I KNOW I WILL BE BACK.

I just the all you need to know about Sonar 6 DVD
 
HEY WHERE DO I PLUG THE OUTPUT JACK OF THE DELTA SOUNDCARD?

LOL sorry about the caps, it's just that I forgot to ask that?
 
J W CARTER said:
HEY WHERE DO I PLUG THE OUTPUT JACK OF THE DELTA SOUNDCARD?

LOL sorry about the caps, it's just that I forgot to ask that?
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You can plug it in to 11/12 like you had the motif. then you can use the main out to run to monitors or you can use the headphone jack to listen while recording. The faders/sliders on 1, 2 & 3 will not effect record level, only the level in the headphones. An the fader for 11/12 will adjust the volume of whats already been recorded so you can get a good mix in your headphones between what you're recording and what already recorded.

Glad your catching on;)

F.S.
 
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