Set Up critique/help

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I'm trying to build a recording setup based mainly around drums. Here is what I have so far:

CAD Drum mic set with 8 mics (4 tom, 1 snare, 1 kick, 2 overhead)
Samson Condenser for Hi-Hat
Mackie 1402 VLZ with 6 XLR inputs and 4 Stereo TRS (AUX OUT, Master out, and first 6 channel out)
M-Audio Mobile Pre 2 channel input
HP High Performance Laptop (dont know specs off hand but more than enough power for the program) with 2 usb 2.0 and 1 usb 1.0

Equipment waiting to be purchased:
DBX 2 channel Compressor/gate (may not get)
Alesis 2 channel TRS to USB connector (qty 2)
High Performance custom desktop (have to return the loaned laptop soon)

Current Connection Scheme (First pass to see how things work)
All mics going into the mixer, TRS to Mobile Pre, Mobile Pre to Laptop. The problem with this I can't process the drums separately since they come in as only 2 channels.

Connection Scenario: This is where I need advice
Tap off kick and snare from channel insert and into laptop/pc using usb connector 1 (2 channels, 2 mics)
Mix overhead and hihat to ALT 3 and 4 and into laptop using usb connector 2 (2 channels, 3 mics)
Mix toms to master and into Mobile pre. No trim on the TRS inputs where toms are connected and need extra gain. (2 channels, 4 mics)
Output combined channels through M-Audio out and back into board or direct to headphones

Pro: Can process kick and snare separately, cymbals together, toms together. More control over mixing.
Cons: potential problems with recording using multiple USB devices at the same time.
Questions: Can this work effecfively? What could I do to make it work better? Can I run these three inputs using ASIO Drivers?

I will most likely have the final hookup using a new desktop but would still like to use the USB approach instead of spending more money on a multi-channel interface.

If this doesn't work I would probably go with an M-audio Delta 1010 as an added input device, but thats the money issue again.

I know this is alot of information for my first post, but any information that can be give will be greatly appreciated.
 
If I Wuz You....

I think you might do well to get a compressor.
Not just a two channel, but ...
I'd get 2 of these (if I could afford it)
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-MULTICOM-PROXL-MDX4600-Processor?sku=182474
not that this would be ideal for sound quality (Behringer is hit & miss, so I no longer buy their products) but this would be a low-cost solution to getting your drum mix under control.
Live drums are the only thing that I would say always (100% of the time) has some compression used on them on almost ALL pro recordings.
If you can afford it, get a unit that is a bit higher quality. You'll be happier with the results.
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/dbx-1046-Quad-Compressor-Limiter?sku=183550

Got $1000 to spend? This would be ideal.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/OctoPre

I personally don't have the cash for such a unit, but if I did, I'd get it.
 
Thank You for your information. I'll keep that on my options list.
My original plan was to have a compressor but figured I would take care of that with the software (I'm running Sonar 7 PE), which is why I wanted to have track separation. Do you think the software is a comparable replacement for an external compressor? If I go with a multichannel compressor then should I just record the mixed stereo signal or still try split into tracks?
 
I highly doubt you will be able to get two USB interfaces working together, much less three of them spread across multiple brands. USB is fragile enough for audio as it is. Get yourself a single 8-channel interface and be done with it.
 
I highly doubt you will be able to get two USB interfaces working together.... Get yourself a single 8-channel interface and be done with it.

Yeah, he's right. You'd need another mixer, too.

Just my 2¢...

I think it's better to have external, pre-digital (before it's encoded) sound shaping control. But that's just me. Fooling with it afterward just never seems to yield as good a result for me.
"Get the sound you want BEFORE you record"

Basic recording techniques 101
 
This is an affordable alternative...never heard of the company, (but then there is always Behringer..:lol)

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/SMPro-Audio-OC8e-8Channel-Optical-Compressor?sku=481930

It's on backorder now, too...with no est. arrival date :o
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Or there's this: (a little more dough)

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ACL8/

Never heard of them, either. (but what do I know?)
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I'm sure once you save a few pennies, you'll end up buying one of these:

http://www.samash.com/p/XLogic XRack Dynamics 8 Channel Compressor_-49983110

Call me when you get it...we'll have a big pig pickin' party in your honor. (you're paying)
 
Makes sense to compress externally. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
I'll go through all of the posted options and figure out which works best for my budget.
 
I highly doubt you will be able to get two USB interfaces working together, much less three of them spread across multiple brands. USB is fragile enough for audio as it is. Get yourself a single 8-channel interface and be done with it.

I've been giving this alot of thought. It turns out Sonar 7 PE does have the ability to run multiple USB devices, however a multi-input device is probably more convenient. This is the one i picked off of another thread: Tascam US-1641. Do you (or anyone) think I will benefit from selling my mackie 1402vlz and buying this instead?
 
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