Selling Beats-Flyers and Cards

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when you have artist that dont have money..but you think they have talent or are trying to do stuff..dont sell your beat outright to them do a Spec deal with them for monies later if things happend..

right now..if he is pushing the song with your beat on it he will be making out..and and the real since you sold all rights to the track he doesnt have to give you credit for the beat..these are things to think about in future ventures..
 
See when I find dope artists that I can mold and help improve their game, I offer them an invite to join the crew. I produce their tracks for free but Hammerback Records owns the rights to all material produced and gets credit in the work done so that when they leave and move on, the name stays in the credits and on the tracks that they're using for demos and promos.


Fiev.
 
yeah that works also..but a lot of artist dont like joining a crew..cause usely they already in a crew..

what you really are doin is signing them to a production deal to your company..really
 
Also, NEVER sell your rights flat out on a beat.
Remember one man's trash is another man's treasure.

You can sell your beats as exclusive, but even then you still make sure you're covered as far as royalties "just in case" the "nobody" you sell the track to actually winds up getting lucky or uses those connections he never told you about when he got that beat for $20 (then that dude just schooled you and made you work and get paid like an illegal immigrant).

Think about that for a minute....

Time's up, now think about this....

Laffy Taffy simplistic shit seems to be in right now. I mean shit that can take us like maybe 10 - 20 minutes to make.

Look all around you man, seems like shit is getting dumbed down. Most of the shit I hear now is a straight loop, not much change in the hook or in the verse. Gotta look with your eyes and your ears playa.

You can still do what you do, but everything you make you should invest in.
When I said earlier in this thread that I can sell a track for $100 - $300 here's my approach on that. You're paying that money to make sure that you're the only one who can use that beat. I still "own" the beat, I just can't sell it to anyone else. The artist can use that beat for whatever he/she wants, BUT they can't resell it, lease it, release it to other people/companies. Also if the artist gets known and uses that beat, they've released it to another company more than likely and I can sue.

In any case, I still get credit for my work and still own the beat, just not the lyrics or the recording for the track.


Fiev.
 
bknot1 said:
yeah that works also..but a lot of artist dont like joining a crew..cause usely they already in a crew..

what you really are doin is signing them to a production deal to your company..really
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Some artists I find usually are in a crew that ain't doin' shit. Usually, there's one or two standouts in the crew and the rest are filler. It's easy to hype up an artist to realize his true potential. Some might see this as shady, but the industry as a whole is shady and sometimes you have to play it their way to get what you want. The best way I've learned to get what I want out of artists is to feed their egos and make them feel like the star of the show when they do their project. It's been done with me before so I learned from that and flipped my own script to it.

It's pretty easy to "persuade" an artist(s) to join up if they hear your tracks, like them, and see you making progress (even if minimal) while their "crew" is "trying to come up with that money to put out the next track because they wasted their shit on drugs/alcohol/women/whatever the night before."

But with saying that, you also have to give them benefit to stay with you. Teach them enough of the game to show you know what you're doing. Teach them basic info on how you make a track, just don't show your signature moves...make them learn their own.

Fiev.
 
Fieva said:
Also, NEVER sell your rights flat out on a beat.
.... I can sell a track for $100 - $300 here's my approach on that. You're paying that money to make sure that you're the only one who can use that beat. I still "own" the beat, I just can't sell it to anyone else. The artist can use that beat for whatever he/she wants, BUT they can't resell it, lease it, release it to other people/companies. Also if the artist gets known and uses that beat, they've released it to another company more than likely and I can sue.

In any case, I still get credit for my work and still own the beat, just not the lyrics or the recording for the track.


Fiev.
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Damn :Di got all that in my Agreement that i use to sell tracks..
 
Good advice guys. Thanks. I think i might have confused yall a bit tho. The guy that i sold the beat to is not C-Harm. C-Harm is a member of the group that i producer for and belong to. We were all childhood friends and i produce us for free. When we make money off cd's or something, that gets split. Me and my boy KMG are the in house producers. What i did with the 20 dollar beats was an attempt to make some gas money, which was a dumn move. I think i will try the beat thing again but do it the right way this time. I sent an email to the concrete boyz to see about producin a track for them, just to see what they'll say. That might be a way to get my name out.
 
Hey fieva, can i see that contract? I need to know how to write it so i can have all the benefits that you have on yours. The only reason i've never sold for $100 is because most cats around here would walk away after i told them the price. There's no hurt in trying it tho. I might be about to sell to somebody with $100 bucks to spare and then i tell them $20 dollars. I just lost out on $80 bucks and they can walk away and waste the money on somethin else. Thanks for the info guys. I love it here!
 
Give me a lil bit to find it....my studio is in all sorts of disarray right now LOL...

Anyway, but to be honest about it...it takes money to make money. So if dude is only willing to part with $20 for a track, give him all the rights, and thinks he's going to get a masterpiece #1 seller, you've got a bonafide crackhead! You have to invest in yourself as well as your craft.

If I don't find mine, you should talk to bknot, his covers it all too. I've seen that one and it's good work.
 
no problem...

i been workin on that agreement for weeks..to get it right..:D
 
UPDATE: Made a sell! I'm going to close the sale on friday! I sold a beat for $50(still cheap but better than $20). I would have sold for more but i gave the artist a first time discount. I informed the artist of the contract and everything. I also told her beats are priced based on difficulty level. I also got several other people wanting beats at the time. I talked to the concrete boyz and they said they'll give my stuff a listen. Seems like i'm about to make a killin!
 
concrete boyz..i have heard of them from somewhere..are they from ATL..
 
They are from Augusta, Georgia. Have you heard of their producer named Yogi? He's also from augusta.
 
Concrete boyz basically sound like dem franchize boyz. That's one of their infuences.
 
hell i cant remeber i have talked and listened to a lot of unsigned artist over the years..i hope you do get a placement in their project that would be nice for you..

and congrads on sellin a beat...been tryin to close on a sell of a beat for $250 to a artist in B'More..and see what else he wants to buy..im sellin it to him for 250 cause hes local and hes coming up here to get it so I took 50$ off for gas..

i figure i sell tracks for $500..since he is local i will do it for $300 but since he is comin up to my spot i will take 50$ off..and if he buys 4 or more the price will stay at $250

we will see..
 
it comes from the amount of feedback and what i feel is a good price to weed out the just wanna hear myself on a track from the ones that doin it for real. I also list the price that way be when talkin to artist that are hott i will drop the price to $250-$400 a track or package deal.. it all depend on what they doin..

i use to get alot of artist contacting me about they not payin more then $100 or less a track or less..and i use to think about it but i was like what will you be doin with the beat, and what will i get on the back end. they would say a copy of the CD or mixtape their makin..I thell them thats in my agreement anyway..then i ask them about money wise...then they dont want to talk..its slow but it get who i want and weed out alot that isnt really trying to do much..

I have just supplied a track on spec..to just get royalties and credit..but they gotta be nice and can sell over 2000 units with no problem..
 
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