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Just another guy, really.
Always glad to see the spelling police on patrol...
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
One guy somewhat famously made the sides of a guitar out of PAPER MACHE', just to prove that the sides of an acoustic guitar have nothing to do with the guitar's tone. I've seen documentation, but do not recall who it was.
This is not to say the troubles you have had are not real, just sayin'...
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Aw, lighten up, OK?
Samuel Johnson (author of the first English dictionary): “It is indeed a dull man who can think of but one way to spell a word.”
Marshall Brown’s “Wit and Humor” (1880): “A man must be a great fool who can’t spell a word more than one way.”
Andrew Jackson: "It is a damn poor mind that cannot think of more than one way to spell a word."
Mark Twain: "I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way."
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True, but I rather dislike adding flatteners as they make the finish less hard. I'd much rather just rub it out matte - it's easier to make that matte again too.
Oh, and by the way, if we want to go back to the first guitar I finished, add 20+ years to the experience thing - though if we only want to include professional experience I guess we'd have to subtract a couple years. Oh, and my dad agrees, and he finished his first guitar 40 years ago, so I'm pretty sure we have over 100 experience saying that sales guy is full of shit.
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
It was meant as a joke response to your... joke response.
drossfile
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heh. funny, b/c my friend gary and i both thought that was pretty likely (that he was full of it). he generally exuded an arrogance that belied his position as a salesman (although he's also the repair/lesson guy).
for instance, gary picked up one guitar and the guy said, "why don't you just put that back?" i guess he assumed it was out of our price range.
then, when gary asked to play a d-hole git, the guy said, "what do you want to play THAT one for? it's the worst one in here!"
on top of all that, while trying to audition various acoustics, he insisted on yakking incessantly over top of our playing, making any critical, comprehensive assessment impossible. and then, when i was playing one that i really loved, he took it from me and proceeded to strum out chords as hard as he could to demonstrate its projection, as if i couldn't properly test it myself per my own playing style. when gary put his hands out to take the git from him and said, "may i?" the dude held onto it and yakked for about 5 more minutes before reluctantly relenquishing it to him.
i'd say that all told, we spent 2 hours in the shop and a maximum of 10 minutes playing.
yeesh what a piece of work.
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satin vs. glossy
Resonance is the only reason why light satin finishes are applied to Martin acoustics, (or any other acoustic guitar)...
Resonance is the only reason why light satin finishes are applied to Martin acoustics, (or any other acoustic guitar)...
muttley600
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Resonance is the only reason why light satin finishes are applied to Martin acoustics, (or any other acoustic guitar)...
Good one lol, seriously though scooter, good one.
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Fred Carlson. It's not QUITE paper maché (I don't remember the exact difference - he explained it to me once), but then he makes rather, um, odd guitars to begin with. Definitely NOT a traditional "Martinish" style of guitar.
Nice guy, though.
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muttley600
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The guitar he's talking about is I think the Torres one. I saw it some years ago and it's in pretty poor an non original condition. I also have some idea of the rationale behind it. It has nothing to do with discounting the tone of the back and sides but more to do with the importance of the top and Torres ideas on bracing and projection of classical guitars. In any event that discussion is way beyond the realms of this thread.
drossfile
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In any event that discussion is way beyond the realms of this thread.
that may well be, but it certainly is an interesting development. man, i've learned an awful lot as a result of this thread. thanks to everyone who's participating!!!
didgijimmy
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heh. funny, b/c my friend gary and i both thought that was pretty likely (that he was full of it). he generally exuded an arrogance that belied his position as a salesman (although he's also the repair/lesson guy).
for instance, gary picked up one guitar and the guy said, "why don't you just put that back?" i guess he assumed it was out of our price range.
then, when gary asked to play a d-hole git, the guy said, "what do you want to play THAT one for? it's the worst one in here!"
on top of all that, while trying to audition various acoustics, he insisted on yakking incessantly over top of our playing, making any critical, comprehensive assessment impossible. and then, when i was playing one that i really loved, he took it from me and proceeded to strum out chords as hard as he could to demonstrate its projection, as if i couldn't properly test it myself per my own playing style. when gary put his hands out to take the git from him and said, "may i?" the dude held onto it and yakked for about 5 more minutes before reluctantly relenquishing it to him.
i'd say that all told, we spent 2 hours in the shop and a maximum of 10 minutes playing.
yeesh what a piece of work.
I think this is common in many stores though. When i was amp shopping recently, I went to the local shop, where I know all of the guys, and normally we can talk shop and test out the gear and its all good. However, this time I told them I was definitely in the market for an amplifier. Now, although they did help me pick out the amp I wanted, they insisted on playing through it themselves for nearly an hour. I had to ask several times to play through it myself. And after I'd play a few things they'd unplug me, plug in, and then play themselves for a few minutes.
They also tried to make me feel guilty when I mentioned I had a friend at GC and that I wanted to see what kind of price he could get me. I wouldn't of considered except that I was put off by the way they were thrusting the amp on me without even letting me play through it.
They are normally nice guys, I just think the economy is making every salesman more desperate.
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Find a shop where the "new" sales person has been there for at least 10 years - you'll probably be a lot happier. You'll also probably pay more, but their experience guiding people to the RIGHT instrument will save you money in the long run.
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