Sample recordings of Peluso's CEMC6 matched pair (Omni caps)

[sunflute]

Hello Everyone,

Here are some samples of the Peluso CEMC6's. Theese samples are from a live recital I did May 18th in Manhattan, the piece is the Flute Sonata by the french composer Francis Poulenc. This recital was done in the basement of the Marble Collegiate church in Manhattan, so the acoustics are not great, never-the-less I think this give you an idea of the sound of the Pelusos. The pianist was Deborah Jamini, who teaches at Mannes College of Music.

The rig I used is a portable rig I use for live recording, so the preamps are not great, but decent.

So the setup is as follows:
Peluso matched pair (Omni caps) > Roland MMP2 > M-Audio CO2 digital converter > Creative Jukebox 3 (using Optical in). This was recorded at 44/24.

The microphones were setup in an XY setup about 8 feet from the ground and about 3 feet from where we were performing, pointing downward a bit in between the piano and the flute. (The flute was to the left of the piano)

The only processing I did, was to use Waves' X-noise plug-in to get rid of some hum and Waves' L3 Ultramaximizer to bring the levels up. Conversion to MP3 was done using Samplitude 8 at 192 Kbits.

FILES:
1st Movement:

2nd Movement:

3rd Movement:

Any questions or comments are welcome and I can be reached at sunflute at yahoo dot com. my website is www.sunflute.com

Thank you for listening,
Peace
Marco Granados

 

[clmx]

Hello sunflute,

did you really use omnidirectional microphones in XY-Setup?
After listening to the "1st Movement" for about 20 seconds I could really believe that! If you don't hear what's wrong with this "Stereo"-Recording use a tool for analyzing channel/phase correlation and you will see it.

 

[sunflute]

Hello sunflute,

did you really use omnidirectional microphones in XY-Setup?
After listening to the "1st Movement" for about 20 seconds I could really believe that! If you don't hear what's wrong with this "Stereo"-Recording use a tool for analyzing channel/phase correlation and you will see it.

Hello clmx,

What is wrong with the channel/phase correlation? I am new to this, and I have much to learn in terms of correct stereo setup.

Also, I re- uploaded the files again WITHOUT the application of the noise reduction plugin as I think it changed the quality of the sound.

Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience

Peace
Marco

 

[alwayslearnin]

Overall nice recording. I've played this {piano part} many times and impressed with the players. Next time try using spaced omnis. From my experience x/y just doesn't cut it for omnis. Saying that however I'm very interested in the sould of the mics as I have been looking at these for a while and have now made up my mind.

Thanks for taking the time to post these recordings and keep up the good work.,

Van

 

[Yareek]

What is wrong with the channel/phase correlation? I am new to this, and I have much to learn in terms of correct stereo setup.

I think what he's referring to is the fact that omnidirectional microphones don't really work well in an XY setup (99% of the time, IN MY OPINION).

The reason is that omni mics have a relatively even frequency response from all directions i.e. from in front and behind. Thus, sounds from behind the mic sound ABOUT the same (both in volume and frequency) as from in front. Hence, "omnidirectional" (all-directions).

X-Y Micing relies on directional microphones that pick up sound in front louder than sounds off to the side or rear. These kind of microphones are generally cardioid or unidirectional microphones. Even if you point omni microphones in different directions, they won't sound all that different.

The way to do strereo with omni microphones is a "spaced pair" setup, in which sound hits one microphones sooner than the other because it's physically closer. You can technically do stereo with the two omni mics in XY, but MOST PEOPLE would agree that it's not very good.

Read the big discussion about polar patterns at the top of the forum, it really helped my understanding, and it's a very fascinating discussion.

- Jarick

 

[clmx]

Unfortunately my english is quite bad and I don't know all the special terms to explain the differences between various stereo-setups and how to use unirectional and omnidirectional microphones correctly in these setups. I hope someone else can explain this. But I can say that the XY-Setup depends on unidirectional microphones, and omnidirectional mics should be used in A/B-Setup for stereo-recording.