Sail Away - Llarion Mix

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Yeah, the drums are a definite improvement here.

If it were me, I would try to replace the opening bass riff with the same riff that is played much smoother later in the song.

What's that small three or four note figure starting in the beginning of the fifth measure? Keys? I think it's one of the best touches of the piece and they should come out just a tad more as from a musical standpoint they build tension before the resolution.

I'd either ditch completely or de-emphasize the chorus in the guitars, but the guitar solos sound far better in this mix than in the previous one.

As to the vocals, for this kind of style I would experiment with alternate panning on the back vocals (or are they second lead?). This would make for decent symmetry.
 
Eliminate Dogman's track for the first 25 seconds into the mix.

From that point on...it makes sense that I should have heard earlier.

:confused: I didn't send you Dogman's track. Who sent it to you? :D;)
 
Llarion said:
<gingerly steps into room>

OK guys, I did my mix of the now-notorious Sail Away collab. Let's start with the file, and then my commentary, of which I have a lot.

Llarion's remix

Step two was the bass part, with suffered from four competing issues; the pick attacks in the upper mids were harsh, the "punch" of the low bottom was gone, and the upper-lows to lower-mids had a wallowy resonance, and the whole track was clipping. Several passes with close-banded 10-band parametric EQs with narrow Qs recovered a good bit of fidelity; I did passes to focus on each trouble area individually. Were I going "all the way" with this, the bass part would have been a re-track.
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If anything, Phil, the four competing issues are perhaps are a result of the four strings on my daughter's Warwick Rock Bass guitar and pickup pole heights. I played that bass track with my fingers only. I rarely use picks even when I record acoustic guitar tracks.

I made an attempt to replicate that bass track again using my Fender JP-90 Jazz Bass and it just wasn't the same as the orginal track regardless of pickup selection or tweaking tone knobs.
 
60's guy said:
Eliminate Dogman's track for the first 25 seconds into the mix.

From that point on...it makes sense that I should have heard earlier.

:confused: I didn't send you Dogman's track. Who sent it to you? :D;)
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I did a little independent prospecting. :)

If anything, Phil, the four competing issues are perhaps are a result of the four strings on my daughter's Warwick Rock Bass guitar and pickup pole heights. I played that bass track with my fingers only. I rarely use picks even when I record acoustic guitar tracks.

I made an attempt to replicate that bass track again using my Fender JP-90 Jazz Bass and it just wasn't the same as the orginal track regardless of pickup selection or tweaking tone knobs.
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Very interesting; it sounded picked to me! :) do you have the JP-90 track?
 
Cyrokk said:
Yeah, the drums are a definite improvement here.

If it were me, I would try to replace the opening bass riff with the same riff that is played much smoother later in the song.

What's that small three or four note figure starting in the beginning of the fifth measure? Keys? I think it's one of the best touches of the piece and they should come out just a tad more as from a musical standpoint they build tension before the resolution.

I'd either ditch completely or de-emphasize the chorus in the guitars, but the guitar solos sound far better in this mix than in the previous one.

As to the vocals, for this kind of style I would experiment with alternate panning on the back vocals (or are they second lead?). This would make for decent symmetry.
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I only added chorus to Rand's primary rhythm track; just a taste thing; I thought it smoothed it out a little without having to compress it.

the keyboard part has about six of those licks, they are indeed tasty, I wondered why there wasn't more in that part... But, I wasn't really going too far with this, I just wanted to see if I could rescue the mix and do it quickly...


P.S. Randy, point taken about bring in Dog's guitar later, might be a good plan!
 
The vox are pretty strong. The bass is there but somehow a little boomy feeling. The Snare sounds like FLStudio phaser is on it. :) The could use a raise.

Sorry to have missed the WWII that happened for the original mix. This would sound just fine if you told someone that you dug up one of your old tapes. :) In other words, it sound only rumbly from todays overcompressed cyrstal crisp cymbal hits point of "observance".
 
Llarion-sounding better by far, I like how you panned True's vocal parts. The original had them all competing so much it was hard to tell what she was singing.
 
Thanks, I got the original unedited drum tracks now, so I'm gonna take another swing at this over next weekend. (Have in law visiting starting tomorrow, and he sleeps in the studio)
 
Llarion said:
Thanks, I got the original unedited drum tracks now, so I'm gonna take another swing at this over next weekend. (Have in law visiting starting tomorrow, and he sleeps in the studio)
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When Randy first got those, he said they were showing up in his system as 96kHz files even though I know they were 24-bit/44.1kHz. Let me know if you have any problems with 'em.
 
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