Roger McGuinn recorded this with Samson CO1U mic!?

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Well, I'd have probably recorded him a little differently, if I were there. It's a great song (Odetta's version will send chills down your spine), but I disagree with his lyric changes. It now makes no sense to me.

The original lyric was: "God's gonna trouble the water". Roger changed it to: "God's gonna part the water".

In this song, the word "trouble" means to "agitate" (or "stir") the water. That agitation gives the water its healing power, according to the song. "Parting the water" doesn't make sense. If you're gonna pass down a traditional folk song, ya don't screw around with the words. I would chide Roger for that.
 
Would parting the water refer to God and Moses parting the sea? Kind of appropriate since Passover is almost upon us for those semetic folks like myself :)

For those of you that don't know who Mr. McGuinn is, he was the lead singer of a "little" band called the Byrds, along with David Crosby and some other folks. They did "Mr Tambourine Band" (written by a dude named Bob Dylan), "8 Miles High", Pete Seeger's "Turn Turn Turn" (of which the lyrics came from the Hebrew bible!)

Anyway, Roger has come to play at a nice outdoor concert series near us during the summer, and I've always missed him :( I'll have to see if he's coming out this year.

Eva Cassidy also does an amazing Wade in the Water, well pretty much any song she sings turns to gold!
 
kidvybes said:
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there you are wrong, completely off the mark.

It sounds better than a lot of stuff ive heard passed off as "rough" demos..

I love that lo fi sound, like Iron and Wines first album..VERY lo fi.

So no, I dont give a rats ass if it is Roger Mcguinn, it sounds pretty good.
 
BigRay said:
I love that lo fi sound, like Iron and Wines first album..VERY lo fi.

"LO-FI MUSIC"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Lo-fi music is a musical genre which uses lo-fi recording practices. The aim is to sound authentic, rather than over-produced. Many lo-fi artists use inexpensive cassette tape recorders for their music."

"Lo-fi's roots date back to The Beach Boys (the Smiley Smile album), The Beatles and Buddy Holly (Holly recorded some songs in a converted garage). As a genre, lo-fi is mainly associated with recordings from the 1980s onwards, when cassette technology such as Tascam's four-track Portastudio became widely available. Prime early exponents included Daniel Johnston, Beat Happening and the label K Records, and the New Zealand music scene around the Tall Dwarfs and Flying Nun Records. Lo-fi found a wider audience with the success of Beck, Sebadoh, Pavement, Eric's Trip, and Elliott Smith."

"Often lo-fi artists will record on old or poor recording equipment, originally out of financial necessity but now mainly due to the unique aural qualities available from the technologies. Many artists associated with the lo-fi movement, such as Bill Callahan or Bob Log III, have frequently rejected the use of finer recording equipment, trying to keep their sound raw instead, whereas others such as Guided By Voices and The Mountain Goats slowly moved to using professional studios."

"Lo-fi techniques are espoused by some genres outside the indie rock rock world, particularly by black metal artists, where the very low-quality of the recording has become almost a desirable quality, said by fans to convey a rawness and depth of feeling otherwise unattainable. Some fans deliberately seek out extremely lo-fi concert bootlegs, such as the infamous Dawn Of The Black Hearts, which are of such low quality as to defy normal conceptions of music."

"DIY Punk is also well noted for its trend toward lo-fi sound, produced for the most part on inexpensive four-track machines such as the Tascam, and copied from tape to tape on home recording equipment, degrading the quality still further. In DIY Punk lo-fi is prized mainly because it indicates a rejection of the values of commercialism."

"In addition to aesthetic motivations, many bands and artists have produced lo-fi recordings for financial reasons. The use of time and equipment in a recording studio can be prohibitively expensive for artists in the early stages of their career, though in recent years digital recording techniques and equipment have put studio-quality recording within the reach of more people, at least in the Western / European countries where the "indie" aesthetic originates."

...you say "to-ma-toe", I say "to-mah-tow"..."VERY low fi"..."rough demo"...you do the math... ;)

Afterthought: McGuinn was trying to get the best quality out of his "mobile" rig...as he prefaces on his website, "Camilla and I were on the road when I remembered this song and thought it would be a good one to record. I used my iBook and free cross platform software called Audacity along with my Samson C01U USB microphone. This is a great mic for the road because you don’t need an interface of any kind to record. You just plug into the USB jack and you’re good to go."
...as a seasoned musician with over 40 years of experience, he does an admirable job...whether or not the aesthetic of "low fi" entered into his process, only he could qualify that determination...
 
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gordone said:
Would parting the water refer to God and Moses parting the sea? Kind of appropriate since Passover is almost upon us for those semetic folks like myself :)

Yeah, that's the image I got too, but it's wrong. God is not "parting" the water to help people escape; He's "agitating" the water to give it healing powers and the song is inviting people into the churning water to be cured.

For those of you that don't know who Mr. McGuinn is, he was the lead singer of a "little" band called the Byrds, along with David Crosby and some other folks. They did "Mr Tambourine Band" (written by a dude named Bob Dylan), "8 Miles High", Pete Seeger's "Turn Turn Turn" (of which the lyrics came from the Hebrew bible!)
And Mr. McGuinn wrote "It Won't Be Wrong" and "Please Let Me Love You" (co-written by a dude named Harvey Gerst).
 
Outstanding, Harvey!

My band covers a few of McGuinn's old tunes. Fun stuff to play.
 
whats your point???I said it sounded lo -fi..big deal! I didnt say he was GOING for a lo-fi aesthetic. I said I liked the lo-fi sound....and it DOES sound lo-fi... :rolleyes: wikipedia definitions mean nothing to me...

The bottom line is that I thought it sounded good!, I STILL think that. Who cares about definitions and analyzation...? and I STILL stand by the statement that it sonically sounds better than a lot of things ive heard coming through here. Playing aside.

and yeah I know we are on different planets, that is stating the obvious(I , for example HATE reggae, hip hop, soul, R+B, and funk).

so whats your point there?



kidvybes said:
"LO-FI MUSIC"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Lo-fi music is a musical genre which uses lo-fi recording practices. The aim is to sound authentic, rather than over-produced. Many lo-fi artists use inexpensive cassette tape recorders for their music."

"Lo-fi's roots date back to The Beach Boys (the Smiley Smile album), The Beatles and Buddy Holly (Holly recorded some songs in a converted garage). As a genre, lo-fi is mainly associated with recordings from the 1980s onwards, when cassette technology such as Tascam's four-track Portastudio became widely available. Prime early exponents included Daniel Johnston, Beat Happening and the label K Records, and the New Zealand music scene around the Tall Dwarfs and Flying Nun Records. Lo-fi found a wider audience with the success of Beck, Sebadoh, Pavement, Eric's Trip, and Elliott Smith."

"Often lo-fi artists will record on old or poor recording equipment, originally out of financial necessity but now mainly due to the unique aural qualities available from the technologies. Many artists associated with the lo-fi movement, such as Bill Callahan or Bob Log III, have frequently rejected the use of finer recording equipment, trying to keep their sound raw instead, whereas others such as Guided By Voices and The Mountain Goats slowly moved to using professional studios."

"Lo-fi techniques are espoused by some genres outside the indie rock rock world, particularly by black metal artists, where the very low-quality of the recording has become almost a desirable quality, said by fans to convey a rawness and depth of feeling otherwise unattainable. Some fans deliberately seek out extremely lo-fi concert bootlegs, such as the infamous Dawn Of The Black Hearts, which are of such low quality as to defy normal conceptions of music."

"DIY Punk is also well noted for its trend toward lo-fi sound, produced for the most part on inexpensive four-track machines such as the Tascam, and copied from tape to tape on home recording equipment, degrading the quality still further. In DIY Punk lo-fi is prized mainly because it indicates a rejection of the values of commercialism."

"In addition to aesthetic motivations, many bands and artists have produced lo-fi recordings for financial reasons. The use of time and equipment in a recording studio can be prohibitively expensive for artists in the early stages of their career, though in recent years digital recording techniques and equipment have put studio-quality recording within the reach of more people, at least in the Western / European countries where the "indie" aesthetic originates."

...you say "to-ma-toe", I say "to-mah-tow"..."VERY low fi"..."rough demo"...you do the math... ;)

Afterthought: McGuinn was trying to get the best quality out of his "mobile" rig...as he prefaces on his website, "Camilla and I were on the road when I remembered this song and thought it would be a good one to record. I used my iBook and free cross platform software called Audacity along with my Samson C01U USB microphone. This is a great mic for the road because you don’t need an interface of any kind to record. You just plug into the USB jack and you’re good to go."
...as a seasoned musician with over 40 years of experience, he does an admirable job...whether or not the aesthetic of "low fi" entered into his process, only he could qualify that determination...
 
BigRay said:
so whats your point there?

...my point is obvious...a simple difference of opinion...you (who admittedly hates a number of different types of music) like it, and I, appreciating many styles including those you "hate", think it sounds "rough"...that's all..."low fi" "hi fi" "whatev"...it's a demo...go back in your cave...
 
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I think it sounds bad and I love Rogers stuff! He's the reason I have a 12 string
 
kidvybes said:
...my point is obvious...a simple difference of opinion...you (who admittedly hates a number of different types of music) like it, and I, appreciating many styles including those you "hate", think it sounds "rough"...that's all..."low fi" "hi fi" "whatev"...it's a demo...go back in your cave...

:eek: :D :D
 
Big Kenny said:
I think it sounds bad and I love Rogers stuff! He's the reason I have a 12 string
Roger can do some pretty good stuff at home. Here's a track of Roger on 12 string, backing Frank Hamilton, the man who taught Roger how to play 12 string. This was recorded at Roger's house:

Frank Hamilton MP3 clip
 
I was also wondering why he would mess with any lyric, I wonder if he wanted to make a derivative work of a PD in order to claim copyright. Too cynical?
 
I have Jims new CD ''Limited Edition""
The way i understand it the only cut he did in the STUDIO was the Harrison tune.All the rest were done on his laptop.The tunes done on the laptop sound just ''ok'' :confused: as far as sound quality.
 
junplugged said:
I was also wondering why he would mess with any lyric, I wonder if he wanted to make a derivative work of a PD in order to claim copyright. Too cynical?
Yeah, I believe he thought it just made the song better. I don't think he was thinking about copyrights on any of these songs. Changing lyrics here and there IS part of the folk process. In the case of this song, I think he went too far and obscured the meaning of the chorus, but that's only my opinion.
 
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