RNP ....release update?

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anyone know what the latest word is on the RNP release? last i heard was sept.
but i know it has been pushed back before, also since the price has already increased, has there been any added features or still the same as pictured ??

......thanks bostonfan2
 
New production run supposed to be happening... delivery somtimes in October...
On the same page, Speck has a new preamp out. Looks real cool, should expect a fab preamp for low money out of that one. Has adjustable high pass, transformer balanced output (switchable) and lotsa other goodies, 1/2 rack space.
 
Vince is sending me one to look at. Should be here this week.

When I talked to Mark at FMR on Friday, he said he was planning on shipping the first production units this week.
 
They are only a year behind schedule. I wonder how long till the Behringer version?
 
Harvey Gerst have you ever tested the sytek pre's? these also seem to be in about the same price range per pre as the RNP and VTB...also Harvey would be great if you could get a hold of the DIGI Pre which is also in about the same price range per pre as the RNP...

Also Allen Hyatt mentioned he had a couple of new pre designs coming out anyone know anything about that? I believe one was in collaboratio with burr browns and someone else...
 
In collaboration with the one and only Burr Brown, huh?... ha.. funny stuff...
 
etherize said:
Harvey Gerst have you ever tested the sytek pre's? these also seem to be in about the same price range per pre as the RNP and VTB...also Harvey would be great if you could get a hold of the DIGI Pre which is also in about the same price range per pre as the RNP...
Please keep in mind that we're a recording studio, not a test facility. Back in the late 70's, I did have a nice audio test facility, but that was almost 25 years ago.

I guess because I was in manufacturing for many years, and I'm still in recording, a lot of people trust me to be fair about reviewing their stuff, while knowing that I can appreciate their production problems. Especially since I don't write for any magazines.

Mark (FMR), Alan (PMI), and Vince (Speck), and several others all asked me to listen to their preamps, since I represent a home to mid level studio market that covers a wide range of music, and I understand what I'm listening to.

But I don't have the time or the interest to listen to everything that's available on the market today, besides, that would take a lifetime of just doing nothing but testing.

So unless somebody at Sytek has a real burning interest in finding out what some guy (who they've never heard of) in a studio in the middle of North Texas (at a studio and place they've never heard of) thinks of their products, I don't think I'll be testing them anytime soon.
 
Harvey,

The December delivery date you mentioned over at RO.........has that date been changed again?

:cool:
 
I have an idea, how about a one channel pre with the proposed path of thr rmp going into the RNC circutry, and with behringer putting it out at thier prices:D
 
ausrock said:
Harvey,

The December delivery date you mentioned over at RO.........has that date been changed again?

:cool:
According to the last phone call I had with Mark, he planned to ship at least 25 or more RNPs to dealers.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
According to the last phone call I had with Mark, he planned to ship at least 25 or more RNPs to dealers.

I don't suppose those will last very long. :D
 
Harvey Gerst said:
According to the last phone call I had with Mark, he planned to ship at least 25 or more RNPs to dealers.

FMR has updated their web page with the info for the RNP...
http://www.fmraudio.com/rnp/index.html

WHAT'S COOL
Lots o' headroom. These days, the trend is for microphones to increase their output signal levels while reducing their output noise levels. This means either employing a front-end pad and/or increasing the headroom of a mic pre. We decided to do the latter: at unity gain, the RNP 8380 has a clip point of +27.5dBu (almost 25Volts peak-to-peak)! Even with a hefty microphone output, the RNP8380 should take what your mics have to give.

Fidelity. When designing a pre-amp, there are many ways to balance the sometimes conflicting operating constraints. Unfortunately, with the proliferation of integrated-circuit (IC) based mic pres in recent years, one of the typical casualties has been fidelity. At this point, I won't bore you with the geeky details, but I want to assure you that fidelity was not sacrificed in the RNP8380. Even though there are many mic pres that are quieter, there are very few that have the spurious-free (i.e., distortion-free) spectrum of the RNP8380. Now, more than ever, what you put into a mic pre is what you'll get out.

Ugly box. If you look beyond the RNP8380's utilitarian ugliness, you'll see that we opted to throw the money we saved in cosmetics into the quality of the audio electronics. I like having nice-looking gear as much as the next guy, but given the choice between something that sounds nice versus looks nice, the sound wins out everytime.

Really Nice Compressor (RNC) inserts. Each channel on the RNP8380 has an unbalanced send/receive jack that allow you to connect an RNC1773 using a single Tip-Ring-Sleeve (TRS) cable (per channel). With proper cabling, you could also use this feature to balance any other unbalanced piece of gear. In addition, with the right external configuration, the RNP can provide a separate +22dBu unbalanced output and a +28dBu balanced output simultaneously to allow nifty things like separate M/S decoding while tracking the M/S signal without decoding.

Balanced/unbalanced operation. Both the mic inputs and mic pre outputs are electronically balanced, differential signals. Want to run to/from unbalanced sources? No problem, the RNP automatically adjusts...no special cabling required.

Balancing an RNC. Using the above features, you can allow/provide a balanced signal to/from an RNC/RNP set.

Hi-Z DI inputs. These inputs are designed to take a source, such as a passive bass, and not "suck the tone" away from the instrument. This input features a high-impedance unbalanced 1/4" jack.

Slowly-ramping 48V supply. To reduce the chance of destroying mics connected to the RNP that can't tolerate +48V applied to them, we ramp up the +48Volts slowly just in case you accidently turn on the phantom supply with a phantom-intolerant microphone attached to the RNP. In addition, this ramp helps reduce "settling time" of the RNP's servos (see Geek Stuff below) and reduces the size of the output pops/clicks.

EMI-resistant. The pre-amp's front end includes a third-order EMI filter. It is specifically designed to attenuate RF while giving a smooth audio performance up to 200kHz. This reduces the chances that you'll have trouble with RF interfering with the RNP's operation even at high-gain levels. When used with a nominal 150 Ohm balanced source, this filter yields exceptional audio performance.

Output mutes. During phantom engagement/disengagement and DI/mic switching, we momentarily mute the output signals to reduce output pops & clicks that may otherwise annoy you and others. This mute actually occurs before the insert send signal, so even devices connected to the insert are spared large pops & clicks.

Stepped gain control. To allow precise gain-setting between multiple channels, we're using a Grayhill 12 position switch to set the RNP's gain.

Phase inversion control. This is fairly standard stuff to allow you to accommodate any phaseproblems due to things like system cabling, etc.

Precision metering. Three LEDs are provided for metering each channel (signal presence, +18dBu and CLIP). In addition, the clip LED trips at 1dB below actual clip and stays on for 3 seconds to make signal-chain troubleshooting easier. The metering is digitally-calibrated and driven by the internal microprocessor.

Flexible power supply requirements. The RNP will run off of either AC or DC as long as the voltage range is within 9-12V (and has a current capacity of at least 1.5Amps). Polarity of the wallwart connection is unimportant so that you don't have to worry about that detail either. In addition, if you happen to connect a wallwart that doesn't have enough oomph to power the RNP (like the RNC's wallwart), the RNP will tell you by periodically flashing it's front panel LEDs.

Geek stuff. An internal microprocessor provides control and monitoring of many RNP internal activities: power supply operation, source (mic/DI) selection, precision metering, push button control and phantom voltage control. The preamp itself is a unique, full Class A self-biasing-fully differential-DC servoed-transimpedance-100MHz GBP-instrumentation amp with an input impedance of 5k. The RNP's maximum level is +28dBu (differential mode) with an EIN of -120dB. High common-mode impedances help reduce the effect of interfering noise sources. Both phantom coupling caps and gain port voltages are independently servoed.


WHAT SUCKS
Now I will violate a very important marketing rule by telling you what I think sucks about the RNP. Why? Because nothing is perfect and compromises always have to be made. By giving you some perspective on the RNP's shortcomings, at least you'll have some insights into the whys about my choices. Let your ears and application requirements be the ultimate guides (YMMV, right, Fletcher?!).

The RNP uses a wallwart. As I explain on our website for the RNC, the RNP also uses a wallwart to: (a) reduce internal noise induction, (b) to make the national/international regulatory compliance less costly, and, (c) to permit easy adaptation of the RNP to countries other than the U.S. The upside is that we've designed the RNP to use a range of wallwarts (see what's cool, above) instead of the pain-in-the-ass one used on the RNC.

The RNP is relatively noisy when evaluated by lab measurement. Many mic pres these days (including the really cheap ones) have very low noise floors (EINs of -127dB or better). The RNP's EIN of -120dB is obviously not as "good" as these others.

I decided that the sonic character (or lack thereof) and a decent price point were more important than the absolute noise floor. Why? First, many of the sought-after vintage mic pre noise levels are much worse than the RNPs. So in actual use, I concluded, many folks (particularly those "in-the-know") prefer good tone, even if it's slightly noisier. Second, even though we have internal versions of the RNP with a lower EIN, we'd have to charge at least $100 more for the privilege of meeting lab measurements that few actual applications would challenge. Third, the trend in microphone development has been to raise the output level of microphones, thereby reducing overall gain requirements of external mic pres. Are there some applications using the RNP that may be problematic? Yes. Will most of us encounter them? No.

The RNP has coarse gain steps of 6dB/step. Under ideal circumstances, when gain staging your signal path, you want to only use as much gain as necessary to do the job. Too much gain and you possibly run out of headroom. Too much or too little gain and you possibly get more noise than you'd like for a given application. So, why not use a gain pot or a switch with more positions to allow finer gain steps?

First, pots are notoriously inconsistent and imprecise for gain setting (see John Hardy's discussion of this) without using a two stage pot...one stage for low gains and the other for high gains. That's OK, but I personally don't like to have a "gain range" switch that can cause the gain to jump 30dB or more. This is primarily 'cause I've been known to inadvertently push the button at an inopportune time (don't tell anyone)! Second, 16 and more positions make for a very expensive switch. In an ideal world, I'd have a switch with an infinite number of steps to allow us to smoothly and precisely maximize the mic pre's dynamic range...allowing us to exactly dial-in the gain we need without too much noise or too low of a clip point.

Given these trade-offs, we've made the RNP with a twelve step switch. The lowest gain setting is 0 dB with a clip point of almost +28dBu. Each step then adds 6 dB of signal gain. Even though this requires that we (the users) are more careful in setting the maximum gain before clipping, its gain setting is a little less critical given the high pre-amp clip point. So, a user is likely to be more concerned with the signal being too hot further down the signal chain, at which point the signal can usually be attenuated to the appropriate level.

Of course, you can always get finer amplitude control by using an RNC in conjunction to your RNP.



:)
Carmen
 
Carmen,

Thanks for the post! I've been won over.
By the time I can collect for some past due studio bills hopefully the units will be freely available.(now I want a RNC too!)

tmix
 
Harvey Gerst said:
"... So unless somebody at Sytek has a real burning interest in finding out what some guy (who they've never heard of) in a studio in the middle of North Texas (at a studio and place they've never heard of) thinks of their products, I don't think I'll be testing them anytime soon."

Harvey,
You are way too modest about your credentials.
I sent you an e-mail regarding this.


Bowisc
 
Carmen!

Great post! How incredibly refreshing to hear someone actually discuss the weaknesses (sucks) of their own product as well as the plusses. I am certainly more inclined to give your product a try given your balanced presentation.

Are you sure you're allowed to be so honest? Won't other manufacturers take a hit out on you for violating their code of "ethics"? :(
 
Fooled me. I thought it was one of those Alan Hyatt deals. I was breathlessly awaiting the arrival of the ever-vigilant spam police. Shoulda throwed some of them curly things at the beginning and end of that so us slowcoaches coulda figured out it was a quote.
 
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