Reverb on kik?

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Anyonr heard the band "A perfect circle", The kick drum resonates soo much and sounds great. Just wondering if this is done by added reverb or maybe attaching another kick drum to the first kick drum so the drum is twice as deep for more resonance.
Anyone know how to mic a double drum kick drum? I thought of an SM58 right at the skin, a bass mic at the end of the first kick drum and another bass mic at the end of the second kik drum.
Any coments or experience in this?
 
ecktronic said:
Anyonr heard the band "A perfect circle", The kick drum resonates soo much and sounds great. Just wondering if this is done by added reverb or maybe attaching another kick drum to the first kick drum so the drum is twice as deep for more resonance.
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Alot of it has to do with the drum itself, and also the overhead or room mics being compressed to bring that large quality out.

A friend of mine recently used a sub kick mic, which is actually a little 5 inch drum with a speaker in it, and i heard some awesome resonanace with that thing in play, but i wouldnt say thats the answer...its more about the drum itself IMO.


ecktronic said:
Anyone know how to mic a double drum kick drum? I thought of an SM58 right at the skin, a bass mic at the end of the first kick drum and another bass mic at the end of the second kik drum.
Any coments or experience in this?
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Do you mean 1 bassdrum with a double pedal or two bass drums with singal pedals?
 
Two kick drums, one pedal. Joining an extra drum onto the end of the drum that is being played so that there is more and a deeper resonance.
You know i have never tried compressing the OHs, i just leave them as they are but line them up with the snare track so the original snare and the OH snares waves are totally lined up. COmpressing the OHs could bring out unwanted room sound though. I like my drums to have no room sound.
 
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Two kick drums, one pedal. Joining an extra drum onto the end of the drum that is being played so that there is more and a deeper resonance.
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Ahh, gotcha, no ive never used one.

ecktronic said:
I like my drums to have no room sound.
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Uhm...ok. Whatever floats your boat man.


Can i hear an example of something youve recorded with drums?
Perhaps at the clinic>
 
Yeah go to the link at the bottom and there are some songs that i have recorded/mixed. All have drums.
 
I cant say there was anything particularly wrong with what i listened to.
Maybe just that the drums on the first track were a little thinish.
And the overheads may have had some phase issues happeneing.

I liked the singer.
 
Thanks again Finster for the listen. The drums kinda are a little hidden on the first track at times. Could be bass frequency fights or just the playing. Is it a wavey sound on the cymbals that you mean when you say the OHs are phasing? Didnt think it was possible to get much phase if you pan the Ohs 90 each way.
 
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Thanks again Finster for the listen. The drums kinda are a little hidden on the first track at times. Could be bass frequency fights or just the playing. Is it a wavey sound on the cymbals that you mean when you say the OHs are phasing? Didnt think it was possible to get much phase if you pan the Ohs 90 each way.
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Best way to check for phase is to hear the hard panned overheads in mono.
If the bass or lowend drops out when you get to mono, youve got phase.

Since my ears are acclimated to the sound nowadays, i just listen for that phasey sound, if i hear it i fix it. Phase is the devil. It can totally wreck your stereo image.
 
Nice one. I dont think i have a mono switch but i coud just not bother panning the OHs to listen for phasing couldnt i?
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ecktronic said:
Nice one. I dont think i have a mono switch but i coud just not bother panning the OHs to listen for phasing couldnt i?
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Yes you could.
 
I just listened to "Fading"...Like XFINSTERX says, I don't hear anything wrong with it. Great energy. Great tune.
 
Thanks alot Rami, thats the heavier side of my band SEROTONE. Like to not stick too much to one style, rather experiment with different styles but at the same time stick to the wide genre of melodic alternative rock. Doesnt sound like a great genre but describes our band well if taken literally.
Cant wait till our debut album is ready. 13 tracks of Serotone , niceee! :) :}
 
ecktronic said:
Anyonr heard the band "A perfect circle", The kick drum resonates soo much and sounds great. Just wondering if this is done by added reverb or maybe attaching another kick drum to the first kick drum so the drum is twice as deep for more resonance.
Anyone know how to mic a double drum kick drum? I thought of an SM58 right at the skin, a bass mic at the end of the first kick drum and another bass mic at the end of the second kik drum.
Any coments or experience in this?
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Anyway back to my original query. Any ideas or experience on using two drums?
 
A friend of mine who owns a commercial studio that books alot of hard rock bands tells me that he sometimes has had to do this. I think he even has a bass drum shell that he sometimes adds to the bass drum then puts a blanket over it. I think the blanket is more to prevent leakage, though. I'll try to get a link to his studio if he has some samples on the website. He lives on the other side of the country but we talk on Messenger sometimes.
 
Nice one Rammi much appreciated. wouldnt putting a blanket over it deaden it though rather than keep the reverb?
 
Seems like it would, that's why I'm thinking that the blanket would be more to eliminate other drums leaking into the bass drum mic. I also might be totally wrong about the blanket. I think he said something about a blanket but shouldn't have mentioned anything until asking him. I'll catch him when he comes online later today.
 
Haaa grat quote man. One of ma mates is writing a song influenced by that quote! Where does it come from?
Cheers Rami.
 
ecktronic said:
Haaa grat quote man. One of ma mates is writing a song influenced by that quote! Where does it come from?
Cheers Rami.
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You talking about "The early bird...etc...". Thanx, I'm not sure where that comes from, but I've been using it for so long that I guess I can claim I made it up. But I probably didn't, so I won't sue your mate for writing a tune about it.(smiley goes here, but I can't figre out how to do that)

As far as the bass drum thing is concerned, my buddy tells me that he uses the extra bass drum for a"bigger" sound, not neccassarilly for the reverb. That's why the blanket doesn't matter for what he's trying to acheive. If he wants reverb, he tries to acheive it different ways. Either with well placed room mics and lots of compression, a la John Bohnam. Or by simply adding outboard reverb at mix down. Hope this helps a bit.
 
THanks alot Rami, i suppose i am really going for that bigger sound. If i dont acheive reverb i suppose i can just slap some digital reverb on at mix down.
To make a smiley you type :] but replace the ] with a ) comprende?
You can click on the small blue link that says "smilies" to the bottom left in the Posting Rules. ;)
 
are you talking about the 13th step? or amotion? they were both mixed by andy wallace. he likes to use sampled drums, and the 13th step definitely sounds sampled to me. i know for sure that some of the bassdrum sounds on the 13th step have reverb on them........you can hear it......also, amotion.....i think that's what the cover cd is called......i've only heard one song.......the lame john lennon one (not saying i don't like the beatles, i just don't think much of what john did after the beatles was good).........the drums in that song either had some reverb on them, or they used room mics. it sounds more like room mics than reverb.
 
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