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ecc83
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Errr? Has anyone noticed that in all this badinage the OP seems to have fled?
Dave.
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Armistice
Son of Yoda
LOL... I just like poking Tascam Man because you can never have too many Analogue vs. Digital discussions around here, and it always prompts something interesting from Grim....
Armistice
Son of Yoda
I think he's asked a few questions in other fora..... hopefully he's not been run off already...
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ecc83
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I think he's asked a few questions in other fora..... hopefully he's not been run off already...
Ha! Well I spent my early recording days with Ferrographs (Series 7) and the Revox B77s. I still have a Teac A3440.
The recordings were mainly AmDram "ego" productions which paid little and Gang Shows that paid nowt. Bread and butter came from PA work...NOT Stones in the Park stuff! Just sports days, point to points and AGMs which wanted a recorded log. The AV firm I part timed for also did some VOX work.
My son is a gifted musician (tissm!) and was into recording with cassette and later the A3440 for many yeras. The discovery of computer sound recording in 2005 was a revalation to me as a technician! At last, noise, hum, distortion, wow and flutter( and the attendant intermodulation products) were banished! You could also record for as long as you liked and scrub the disc ad inf! Tape is bloody expensive.
My take is that if you had offered the "classical" guys a Tascam 1800 and a fair to middling laptop 40 yrs ago they would have had your HAND off!
Dave.
John Willett
Circle Sound Services
I think he is saying that the analogue multitrack process takes more time and he finds it makes for getting a better performance and that he finds the PC method makes him lazy so that he does not take the same care that he would do when recording with an analogue multitrack.
TASCAM MAN
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Dude what was the matter with this statement I made here? This was the statement that made me say what I said:
"I just hated all the distortion in analogue tape and wanted to record music how my ear heard it, rather than adding loads of distortion and colouration." by John Willett
Analog DOES NOT add loads of audibe distortion and add loads of colouration, that's offensive to me as Ive worked with analog recording since 1975.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Um, it had nothing to do with your particular statement here. It was your arguing with another members previous post (in another thread), for what seemed like drawing an argument, that preempted my comment. You were having a bad day, in another thread when I made the comment here.
Do we need to continue with this? You still have not apologized for being a dick to me, and you are arguing one post in an ocean of posts, that nobody is going to understand.
You do realize that these forum threads are not necessarily segregated? Many of us frequent all of them. Especially those of us who care to take the time to keep the peace.
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
I don't want to instigate anything, but seeing you too is quite entertaining. 
Why? Why is it offensive to you? You disagree with something and you're passionate about it. I can understand that. But why are you taking something someone said that is related to audio, and become personally OFFENDED from it? How about you calmly explain to the guy he is wrong and tell him why politely. No one is going to be mean to you if you are polite about it.
And according to mshilarious in the "Does Analog Moves More Air" thread, tape does at a bit of distortion and coloration. Though I would agree that saying "loads" is taking it too far? Are you mad that someone exaggerated? You're angry because someone may have used a wrong word?
Why? Why is it offensive to you? You disagree with something and you're passionate about it. I can understand that. But why are you taking something someone said that is related to audio, and become personally OFFENDED from it? How about you calmly explain to the guy he is wrong and tell him why politely. No one is going to be mean to you if you are polite about it.
And according to mshilarious in the "Does Analog Moves More Air" thread, tape does at a bit of distortion and coloration. Though I would agree that saying "loads" is taking it too far? Are you mad that someone exaggerated? You're angry because someone may have used a wrong word?
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Shhh. Sleepy time....
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
Yeah, I should really be going to sleep. It's hard to because I have chess going on in my head! Never play too much chess in one day...
mjbphotos
Moderator
Article in Tape Op magazine a few issues ago about the folks who worked out the great device/software being used to restore old master tapes into the digital realm (sorry, I don't remember the names). The guys doing it ARE analog experts and readily say that tape introduced distortion - the same thing that analog purists call 'warmth'.
John Willett
Circle Sound Services
I did NOT say that "analogue" adds distortion - I said "analogue tape" adds distortion.
That's: wow, flutter, modulation noise, bias noise, tape hiss, etc., etc....
And that's not including azimuth distortion and other distortions from misalignment.
These ARE all there in analogue tape recording - you may LIKE the distortions, but that is not to say that they are not there.
It certainly shows up very clearly with solo classical piano.
And I was recording on analogue tape for a good 10 years before I went digital back in 1983, so I DO know what it was all about.
John Willett
Circle Sound Services
Digital has never been "sterile" - it's how it's recorded that makes it "sterile", nothing to do with the medium itself.
Oh - there are lots of distortions in analogue tape (as I listed in my previous post above) - it's just that many people LIKE the distortion. But it IS there - that's why so many professional engineers went digital back in the 1970s and 1980s.
TASCAM MAN
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Digital has never been "sterile" - it's how it's recorded that makes it "sterile", nothing to do with the medium itself.
A N D ....
Analog has never been "distorted" - it's how its recorded that makes it "distorted" , nothing to do with the medium itself.
mjbphotos
Moderator
Jeez, Tascam Man, give it a rest already, or seek professional help! 
fritsthegirl
Taste of home
I think the point is (correct me if I'm wrong): Whatever tool you use for recording, analog or digital, they are both MACHINES made of physical parts. They adhere equally to the principles and laws of the physical world. It's science.
There are differences, there is no need to argue this, it's a given. They are different machines and use different technologies.
You can talk about this until the cows come home, but only really scientifically. One sounds different to the other, so what? These are just the tools we have created to RECORD music.
The important part is the person that uses it.
It does my head in that you're always so busy arguing with everyone about these machines, when it would be more fun for you to focus on actually using them. Like writing, playing and RECORDING more music.
Take it or leave it. I don't care. But you're going around in circles, and I'm just trying to show you a way out.
TASCAM MAN
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Quote Originally Posted by John Willett View Post
Digital has never been "sterile" - it's how it's recorded that makes it "sterile", nothing to do with the medium itself.
Oh - there are lots of distortions in analogue tape (as I listed in my previous post above) - it's just that many people LIKE the distortion. But it IS there - that's why so many professional engineers went digital back in the 1970s and 1980s.
Digital has never been "sterile" - it's how it's recorded that makes it "sterile", nothing to do with the medium itself.
A N D ....
Analog has never been "distorted" - it's how its recorded that makes it "distorted" , nothing to do with the medium itself.
Digital has never been "sterile" - it's how it's recorded that makes it "sterile", nothing to do with the medium itself.
Oh - there are lots of distortions in analogue tape (as I listed in my previous post above) - it's just that many people LIKE the distortion. But it IS there - that's why so many professional engineers went digital back in the 1970s and 1980s.
Digital has never been "sterile" - it's how it's recorded that makes it "sterile", nothing to do with the medium itself.
A N D ....
Analog has never been "distorted" - it's how its recorded that makes it "distorted" , nothing to do with the medium itself.
fritsthegirl
Taste of home
Steenamaroo
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LOL.
Coming back to set things straight seems like the only sensible option.....
Coming back to set things straight seems like the only sensible option.....
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
That was funny.
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