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Alright,
I just started a band and were getting good enough to record our music.
HEY where do i start. I know im gona have to buy drum mics. Im the Drummer by the way, but if i do buy mics and record it how do i hook it up to my computer and mix it with other things.

Q1- You need different recording electronics for the dums guitars and keyboards right?

Q2- Do you record each instrument seperatley then mix them on the comp.

Q3- If you do mix on comp. what program do you use, should i use?
We have a heavy metalcore band
Q4- Is there anything i need to know about recording our music before anything or what not, .. fill me in

THANX!
 
Hey Billyo - I'd do a search on this BBS first, there's lots of good info on all the stuff you need to know...
But briefly....
Q1 - I'm not sure what exactly you mean by this... if you're recording to a computer HD essentially you need a way to get the audio into the box, so that involves an audio interface. There are many different kinds with various options (for example how many simultanious ins/outs you can have). Here's a brand that makes decent yet economical stuff http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=pciinterfaces
If you record with a microphone(s), remember, each mic needs a preamp. Some audio interfaces have these built in, as well as some mixers, others don't so you'll need to check.
Q2 - This is really up to you; you can do it both ways, although recording separately (multitracking) can be easier for a beginner to get a decent sound (plus you won't need as many mic's/preamps because you won't be recording everything at once and can share). But you can record as a full band too if you like, a lot depends on the style/sound you want.
Q3 - Everyone has their favorites - I'd never recommend one as the 'definitive' one for you because a lot comes down to personal taste. Some popular ones include ProTools, Sonar, Cubase, Logic, etc. When you buy an audio interface, many come with free recording software you can use.
Q4 - Lots! Do lots of reading on this forum and other sites online...
Good luck with it! :)
 
Thanx for the info, that helps me a lot

Arite one last question.

I have the protools program, and it sais im gon need a new sound card. One of these sound cards is the Delta 44 which comes with the internal computer chip and an external box with a bunch of ports in it. Now lets say im recording everything seperatley.. i have the mics and wires, and i wana record directly to my comp. hard drive.. do i need anything else besides my soundcard and box port and speakers?? and how to hook it up of course.
 
You'll have to make sure that each mic you use goes through a preamp first, and that whatever interface you use has enough inputs to handle the amount of things you want to record at one time - for example, the Delta 44 has 4 inputs.
 
Ok, so i install the mics in my drums, run the cables out to A preamp then connect the preamp to the Delta?
and whats the difference between a delta 44 and 66.
Why do they have differnt numbers of ports

Also do i need a preamp for each mic or just 1 for them all to go into?
 
If you are recording metal core - look into getting a program that will let you trigger or program drums to get a drum sound similar to what you hear on major label cds. Record live drums and program bass drum, snare, and toms, keep live cymbols.
 
Ok that wasnt what i asked but ok what program do you suggest for me.
Can anyone answer my last questions?
 
The difference between the 66 and the 44 is that the 66 has a digital SPDIF in/out as well, so you get 6 inputs and outputs rather than 4 with the 44 (but remember, the additional 2 in/outs are SPDIF, not analog). If you have no SPDIF equipment, you don't need the SPDIF I/O.
For each microphone you use at the same time (like for example recording a drum kit with 4 mics) you need a separate preamp for each mic, and a separate input on your interface for each mike. Therefore, with the Delta 44 you can only record with 4 mics at a time maximum, and each one needs it's own separate preamp (that's why it can be cheaper to multitrack, you don't need as much at once)
There is another option of course, and that is to run each mic/signal through a mixer before your computer interface, and mix all the signals down to a stereo track, then you would only need 2 inputs on your interface. You still need a preamp for each mic, but many mixers will provide several built-in pre's. The BIG disadvantage of this of course is that you will not have separate audio tracks in your computer to mix - how you record it is what you get!
As far as recording software, both the Delta cards come with Live Lite for free.
Hope this helps!
 
Ok. I have a 5 peice drum set. with that a high hat 2 ride/ crashes, a thin crash, and a splash symbol. Now to i get 2 composers for the symbols to just run over head for the high hat and all?

and beside that,
do i need a bigger delta chip to record my drums because i want to record them all at once, because if i didnt i would have to go back and record the last hits in. So i want to record all at the same time. So this means that i need a bigger delta chip correct?
Also for the preamps. can i use this? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=185277

if not what do you reccomend.

So far i have these as my Mics
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Microphones/Wireless?sku=277246
This Preamp
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=185277
And i sappose a delta 1010?
 
OR
Someone can tell me all the components they have for their drumset or
reccomend a combo for me to buy including sound cards preamps cables and mics to go along with my ludwig set with 4 symbols including the high hat

Then after just tell me how to connect it and operate. Tell me this and i shall be happier than ever.

Thats all i need to know
Thank you
 
How much do you have to spend or want to spend? This will make a difference as to what a person could suggest to you.
 
Billyo488 said:
OR
Someone can tell me all the components they have for their drumset or
reccomend a combo for me to buy including sound cards preamps cables and mics to go along with my ludwig set with 4 symbols including the high hat

Then after just tell me how to connect it and operate. Tell me this and i shall be happier than ever.

Thats all i need to know
Thank you
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Would you like us to operate it for you as well?
 
Arite i figured out my problems. oh and fraserhutch's Avatar
fraserhutch... your a fu*king faggot. Did you not notice that this is the newbie section. get a life. But yeah what you people were telling me was wrong. I went to the music store and all i need is a set of mics, some clips and stands, and the mixing box with included software. And i needed a firewire port on my comp. So im getting a new PCI card with 2 in it. Then im set.

Time to play some Calibrate the Virus
 
first off... yes, this is the newbie section, and if people who had experience in the matter didn't come in here, you would still know less than shit. second, keep in mind what you said... you're a newbie, so where the hell do you get off telling people who actually KNOW what they are doing that they are wrong??? third, if you weren't such a little punk ass brat, you could read into it and learn something on your own without being babysat. you should feel lucky these people helped you at all. obviously anyone here could have told you to go buy a fucking firepod, load the cubase LE version that comes with it, and buy some shitty ass mics... which, i'm sure is what you have thanks to mr. so and so know it all at the "music store" to which you apparently don't even know a name for. this guy at the "music store" working to make money.... the people on here are here simply because they want to be, and they have experience on the subject and want to help ungrateful little shits like yourself. keep that in mind prick.
 
Agreed

this site is great, fuck the kid who is ungreatful, keep helping the newbies!!
 
The kid's a pirate, calls long-time members f'in assholes for calling him on it -

I say don't help him.
 
fraserhutch said:
Would you like us to operate it for you as well?
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First of all: fraserhutch, fuck you. you are such a fucking asshole. every time i see a post by you, it's you being a dick to all of us unfortunate "home studio" people who don't have the wisdom, wealth, or wonder-womanism of your royal highness, FRASERHUTCH. boy i wish i was as smart and experienced as you. then this whole recording gig would be like second nature. clinical and soulless as steely dan, except with the talent of ryan seacrest. you fucking prick. the one reassurance that newbies have is that by entering the "newbie" section, they won't be ridiculed for lacking the aforementioned wisdom, wealth and wonder-womanism of a humble professional such as yourself. fuck off, man. i really thought that maybe you were ok and i was overreacting a few weeks ago, but no--you really are a fucking cock.

in response to the original question: DO NOT GET A CHEAP MULTI-PREAMP!!!
Instead, get yourself a cheap, decent mixer by Peavey or Behringer that will allow you to sub-mix your drums into 2 stereo channels. This will not only provide you with multiple preamps, but also allow you to add/trim EQ as well as effects on each mic. Run between 3 and 8 mics into your mixer. Play around with the mix until get what you're looking for--record several different takes, and when the drums sound the way you think they should by themselves, start recording your overdubs of guitar, bass, etc, and mix everything. Remember that this can take weeks of frustration, but you WILL find the best sound, abandon it in search of something better, and then come back to improve what was the original "best sound." Also remember that you can always bring everything into the same "room" with post-recording compression, eq, and/or effects. If the drum submix is thin-sounding, then chances are, you need to adjust your mics to avoid phase cancellation. I've never had such problems, but i'm sure fraserhutch the supergenius could write volumes on the subject. Bottom line is, if 8 mics sound like shit, you're doing something wrong. First priority must be well-tuned drums, and a drummer that knows how to play (and tune) them.

i personally recommend an sm57 on snare and an economic CAD drum mic kit for toms/kick/overheads based on my own personal experience:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/CAD-Premium-7Piece-Drum-Mic-Pack?sku=271264


So sure, when you're a multi-millionaire who can build a top-notch facility that would independently compete with billion-dollar studios in NY and LA, you'll want to upgrade. But if you want to maximize your home studio experience (which is what i thought this website was all about), take my advice into consideration. After all, i'm just a basement dude like you, but 12 years of experience have taught me an awful lot. Guys like Fraserhutch (who is an elitist through and through) would have you believe that if you don't have at LEAST $60K to dump into your first recording foray, then you simply don't deserve to be putting music onto tape in the first place. Fuck him, and make music. Cheers!
 
Where the hell do people keep getting protools without hardware?????????

Baffling.

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drossfile said:
First of all: fraserhutch, fuck you. you are such a fucking asshole. every time i see a post by you, it's you being a dick to all of us unfortunate "home studio" people who don't have the wisdom, wealth, or wonder-womanism of your royal highness, FRASERHUTCH. boy i wish i was as smart and experienced as you. then this whole recording gig would be like second nature. clinical and soulless as steely dan, except with the talent of ryan seacrest. you fucking prick. the one reassurance that newbies have is that by entering the "newbie" section, they won't be ridiculed for lacking the aforementioned wisdom, wealth and wonder-womanism of a humble professional such as yourself. fuck off, man. i really thought that maybe you were ok and i was overreacting a few weeks ago, but no--you really are a fucking cock.

in response to the original question: DO NOT GET A CHEAP MULTI-PREAMP!!!
Instead, get yourself a cheap, decent mixer by Peavey or Behringer that will allow you to sub-mix your drums into 2 stereo channels. This will not only provide you with multiple preamps, but also allow you to add/trim EQ as well as effects on each mic. Run between 3 and 8 mics into your mixer. Play around with the mix until get what you're looking for--record several different takes, and when the drums sound the way you think they should by themselves, start recording your overdubs of guitar, bass, etc, and mix everything. Remember that this can take weeks of frustration, but you WILL find the best sound, abandon it in search of something better, and then come back to improve what was the original "best sound." Also remember that you can always bring everything into the same "room" with post-recording compression, eq, and/or effects. If the drum submix is thin-sounding, then chances are, you need to adjust your mics to avoid phase cancellation. I've never had such problems, but i'm sure fraserhutch the supergenius could write volumes on the subject. Bottom line is, if 8 mics sound like shit, you're doing something wrong. First priority must be well-tuned drums, and a drummer that knows how to play (and tune) them.

i personally recommend an sm57 on snare and an economic CAD drum mic kit for toms/kick/overheads based on my own personal experience:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/CAD-Premium-7Piece-Drum-Mic-Pack?sku=271264


So sure, when you're a multi-millionaire who can build a top-notch facility that would independently compete with billion-dollar studios in NY and LA, you'll want to upgrade. But if you want to maximize your home studio experience (which is what i thought this website was all about), take my advice into consideration. After all, i'm just a basement dude like you, but 12 years of experience have taught me an awful lot. Guys like Fraserhutch (who is an elitist through and through) would have you believe that if you don't have at LEAST $60K to dump into your first recording foray, then you simply don't deserve to be putting music onto tape in the first place. Fuck him, and make music. Cheers!
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fraserhutch, Are you pissing people off again :mad: :D
 
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