Recording Vocals - I need your help.

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Hey guys!
The help i need is my band is a screamo / sing band, but mostly singing.
I have an AT2020 condenser microphone. He sings well but hasnt recorded anything yet.

Can you give me any starter tips for recording vocals?
What should i get to make the vocals sound a bit more professional?
budget 100-200$ or lower maybe can go up to 300$.
 
Shure SM7's work well for screamo/death metal vox.

It's a little higher than what you had in your budget, but worth the extra couple weeks of savings!
 
Hey guys!
The help i need is my band is a screamo / sing band, but mostly singing.
I have an AT2020 condenser microphone. He sings well but hasnt recorded anything yet.

Can you give me any starter tips for recording vocals?
What should i get to make the vocals sound a bit more professional?
budget 100-200$ or lower maybe can go up to 300$.

Here's some good tips on recording vocals (its a bit wordy but stick with it)

Recording vocals

My process for recording vocals for songs is as follows:

0) (Write the song)

1) Record a guide track. This is usually a skeletal piano part that simply plays the chords for the song. And simple means simple – it’s usually block chords, one per crotchet (1/4 note). Sometimes there’s a particular riff or groove that’s integral to the song, and this forms part of the guide track. The guide track rarely makes it to the final mix – its sole purpose is to provide the vocalist with something to inform their pitch and timing. Sometimes the guide track doesn’t represent actual structure of the song – I might record the sections separately and arrange them later while I’m recording the other instruments.

2) Record a scratch vocal part. This is performed to the guide track. Usually I only record one or two takes of the lead vocal melody, and harmonies or backing vocals only if they’re particularly important. This scratch vocal recording only needs to serve as my own guide for writing for and recording the other instrumental parts. As such, it doesn’t need to be a great performance – it might even have some mistakes in it! The bulk of the time in this session is not spent coaching the vocalist – it’s spent working on song structure and melody before the recording takes place.

3) Record other instruments. This is done using the scratch vocal as a guide for song structure and mix placement. For vocal music it’s important to start with the lead vocal and build everything else around that. This is important not only for arrangement, but also for instrument voicing (which notes, how high, etc) and mixing. Producing a backing track without having a vocal to work with will easily result in an instrumental song that sounds great on its own, but will struggle the accommodate the vocal once its added.

4) Record backing vocals. Once the arrangement is worked out and most of the other instruments are recorded, it’s time to record the final vocal parts. It’s important to wait until the track is almost finished, so that the vibe and energy of the music can influence the vocal performance. That way the vocalist can deliver a performance that best suits the song.

I usually have the vocalist record the backing vocal parts first. This is because they’re not as critical as the lead vocal. This allows the vocalist to warm up and familiarise himself/herself with the song and the studio. It gives us both a change to fine-tune the headphone levels and monitoring (usually some compression and treble lift) whilst still remaining productive. It also gives me a chance to learn how to work with the vocalist to get the best results. Some will respond well to relentless pace, some resond better to a gentler approach. Some nail it in the first couple of takes, others need six or eight takes to get it. Some respond well to micro-advice (”That fourth syllable is dragging again”), some need more general encouragement (”That was great, now do it with more energy”). It also helps me learn about the voice. How hard can it be driven? How soon until it needs a rest? Where is the sweet spot between warming up and tiring out? Are there any difficult transitions between chest voice and head voice? These are all important issues to be aware of.

5) Record the final lead vocal. This is critical. The lead vocal is the most important part of the song. As if that wasn’t enough pressure, the vocalist only has a short period of time in the sweet spot at which you’ll get the best performance. You’ve got to know where this sweet spot is, because going much past it will give you worse takes, and demoralise the vocalist. Coming back another day often doesn’t give you a better performance either (unless you screwed up and scheduled the session when the vocalist is hung over or something).

My approach to recording lead vocals is the result of many years of working with vocalists. Everyone will have their own methods, but this works for me:

5a) Run through the song once for practice. Often I see advice to record the practice takes. I don’t record them, because I know I’ll get better later on. I try to minimise the number of takes I record, because trawling through them later is a chore, and often doesn’t actually get significantly better performances. Some vocalists don’t even need the practice take.

5b) Record one take of the whole song. This is the basic lead vocal. I only record one take of this, unless there were any mistakes (in which case I delete the take and do it again). This is usually a good fallback for syllables to comp[1] in.

5c) Record two takes of each section, in reverse order. After the first take, we record section by section, in reverse order. So, we’ll start with the coda, then the final chorus, then the bridge, etc, finishing with the first verse or introduction. Each section is recorded twice on loop. I’ll only go more than twice if there were any mistakes. Recording each section in reverse order frees the vocalist from thinking about the song structure, and instead focusses her/him in the moment – the section being recorded. Recording each section twice on loop further enhances this focus. This is sometimes the point at which the singer is in the sweet spot, and where you’ll get a good balance between emotional performance and technical correctness. I record only two takes during this phase in order to keep the momentum up (which keeps the singer motivated and interested). By this stage, more than two takes rarely results in a better performance.

5d) Record one take of the whole song. At this point I have lead vocal that’s three takes deep, and is usually of a consistently high quality. I could use this material to put together a decent composite. However, I ask the singer to do one more take – the whole song through. This time, however, I instruct the singer to focus on delivering an emotional performance at the expense of technical correctness, perhaps pushing it a bit more than usual. I might even bump the volume in the headphones by a decibel or two to assist. For some singers, this falls in the sweet spot and results in a great performance. For others, it’s too much, so the take becomes a source for the occasional ‘emotional syllable’. If this last take is not suitable, I’ll usually use one of the ‘reverse order’ takes as the base for the comp. Most times, however, it is this finial take that forms the base from the comp.


there's some more helpful stuff from Kim here

http://kimlajoie.wordpress.com/tag/vocals/

Hope you can get something from this as it covers quite a lot
 
I think I may have missed the point of the original post...wont be a first time lol


Not sure how this is related to screamo vocals...doh!
 
I'm missing something... if he sings well, but hasn't recorded anything yet, then how do you know that you have a problem that has a monetary solution?

Have you recorded him? Is there a specific issue you're dealing with that you need assistance with..?
 
Shure SM7's work well for screamo/death metal vox.

It's a little higher than what you had in your budget, but worth the extra couple weeks of savings!

Okay cool, ill look into them! :)
Appreciate it
 
Here's some good tips on recording vocals (its a bit wordy but stick with it)

Recording vocals

My process for recording vocals for songs is as follows:

0) (Write the song)

1) Record a guide track. This is usually a skeletal piano part that simply plays the chords for the song. And simple means simple – it’s usually block chords, one per crotchet (1/4 note). Sometimes there’s a particular riff or groove that’s integral to the song, and this forms part of the guide track. The guide track rarely makes it to the final mix – its sole purpose is to provide the vocalist with something to inform their pitch and timing. Sometimes the guide track doesn’t represent actual structure of the song – I might record the sections separately and arrange them later while I’m recording the other instruments.

2) Record a scratch vocal part. This is performed to the guide track. Usually I only record one or two takes of the lead vocal melody, and harmonies or backing vocals only if they’re particularly important. This scratch vocal recording only needs to serve as my own guide for writing for and recording the other instrumental parts. As such, it doesn’t need to be a great performance – it might even have some mistakes in it! The bulk of the time in this session is not spent coaching the vocalist – it’s spent working on song structure and melody before the recording takes place.

3) Record other instruments. This is done using the scratch vocal as a guide for song structure and mix placement. For vocal music it’s important to start with the lead vocal and build everything else around that. This is important not only for arrangement, but also for instrument voicing (which notes, how high, etc) and mixing. Producing a backing track without having a vocal to work with will easily result in an instrumental song that sounds great on its own, but will struggle the accommodate the vocal once its added.

4) Record backing vocals. Once the arrangement is worked out and most of the other instruments are recorded, it’s time to record the final vocal parts. It’s important to wait until the track is almost finished, so that the vibe and energy of the music can influence the vocal performance. That way the vocalist can deliver a performance that best suits the song.

I usually have the vocalist record the backing vocal parts first. This is because they’re not as critical as the lead vocal. This allows the vocalist to warm up and familiarise himself/herself with the song and the studio. It gives us both a change to fine-tune the headphone levels and monitoring (usually some compression and treble lift) whilst still remaining productive. It also gives me a chance to learn how to work with the vocalist to get the best results. Some will respond well to relentless pace, some resond better to a gentler approach. Some nail it in the first couple of takes, others need six or eight takes to get it. Some respond well to micro-advice (”That fourth syllable is dragging again”), some need more general encouragement (”That was great, now do it with more energy”). It also helps me learn about the voice. How hard can it be driven? How soon until it needs a rest? Where is the sweet spot between warming up and tiring out? Are there any difficult transitions between chest voice and head voice? These are all important issues to be aware of.

5) Record the final lead vocal. This is critical. The lead vocal is the most important part of the song. As if that wasn’t enough pressure, the vocalist only has a short period of time in the sweet spot at which you’ll get the best performance. You’ve got to know where this sweet spot is, because going much past it will give you worse takes, and demoralise the vocalist. Coming back another day often doesn’t give you a better performance either (unless you screwed up and scheduled the session when the vocalist is hung over or something).

My approach to recording lead vocals is the result of many years of working with vocalists. Everyone will have their own methods, but this works for me:

5a) Run through the song once for practice. Often I see advice to record the practice takes. I don’t record them, because I know I’ll get better later on. I try to minimise the number of takes I record, because trawling through them later is a chore, and often doesn’t actually get significantly better performances. Some vocalists don’t even need the practice take.

5b) Record one take of the whole song. This is the basic lead vocal. I only record one take of this, unless there were any mistakes (in which case I delete the take and do it again). This is usually a good fallback for syllables to comp[1] in.

5c) Record two takes of each section, in reverse order. After the first take, we record section by section, in reverse order. So, we’ll start with the coda, then the final chorus, then the bridge, etc, finishing with the first verse or introduction. Each section is recorded twice on loop. I’ll only go more than twice if there were any mistakes. Recording each section in reverse order frees the vocalist from thinking about the song structure, and instead focusses her/him in the moment – the section being recorded. Recording each section twice on loop further enhances this focus. This is sometimes the point at which the singer is in the sweet spot, and where you’ll get a good balance between emotional performance and technical correctness. I record only two takes during this phase in order to keep the momentum up (which keeps the singer motivated and interested). By this stage, more than two takes rarely results in a better performance.

5d) Record one take of the whole song. At this point I have lead vocal that’s three takes deep, and is usually of a consistently high quality. I could use this material to put together a decent composite. However, I ask the singer to do one more take – the whole song through. This time, however, I instruct the singer to focus on delivering an emotional performance at the expense of technical correctness, perhaps pushing it a bit more than usual. I might even bump the volume in the headphones by a decibel or two to assist. For some singers, this falls in the sweet spot and results in a great performance. For others, it’s too much, so the take becomes a source for the occasional ‘emotional syllable’. If this last take is not suitable, I’ll usually use one of the ‘reverse order’ takes as the base for the comp. Most times, however, it is this finial take that forms the base from the comp.


there's some more helpful stuff from Kim here

http://kimlajoie.wordpress.com/tag/vocals/

Hope you can get something from this as it covers quite a lot

Thanks so much!!! i copied and pasted this into wordpad so now im using it like a bible. I really appreciate this. (Even though this wont help screamo, it will really help the vocals for sure :) )
 
I'm missing something... if he sings well, but hasn't recorded anything yet, then how do you know that you have a problem that has a monetary solution?

Have you recorded him? Is there a specific issue you're dealing with that you need assistance with..?

yeah you are missing something haha.
"Can you give me any starter tips for recording vocals? " <--- that and asking what to buy was my main question.

i just want to get an idea on how to record vocals before i record him and look stupid is all
 
Regular method would be close up to the mic (on-axis), use a pop shield.

Singers sometimes have a tendency to move to and from the mic to "compensate"
for level differences (between quieter parts and louder). Don't let this happen.
You, or the mix engineer (if it's someone else) can compress it after, just get
it naturally on the way in.

Also, know the song. If you know there are quieter parts vs. louder parts,
record them as two separate takes, and gain accordingly, (more gain for
quieter parts, less gain for louder parts).

Also, a lot of singers like reverb on their vocals in their headphones. Make
sure the vocalist is as comfortable as possible. Set the mood in studio, with
incense/candles etc. if they like that kind of thing. Ask them if their h/p
mix is ok for them. Look up warming up techniques. Food before singing can
really affect a performance. I'd recommend water and honey.

As far as comfort goes, vocalists are top priority in my books. The performance
is less "mechanical" than playing an instrument, and usually a lot more
intimate and expressive. If they're comfortable, warmed up, and sober :p
they'll blast out to the best of their abilities.

Am I missing anything?

As for what to buy, it really varies amongst different singers. Try to experiment.
It could be worth renting a few well known vocal mics (AKG 414/Neumann U87)
etc. and trying them out.

Cheers,
Phil.
 
follow this....as stated above

I use a sure sm57 for vocals...........BUT....i dont have a pop filter so you hear all of those p's and s's....................try a shure SM58 99 dollars BRAND New and sound Damn good for how cheap they are. If you ended up or already have bought a shure SM57 or were thinking about one for vocals i wouldn't reccomend it. ........i would leave that for Micing guitar/bass amps.

Also rule of thumb is...........if your your lead singer is very loud or screams into the mic you are going to want a "DYNAMIC MICROPHONE"

a dynamic microphone can withstand a lot more pressure than a condensor or ribbon mic.

cheers!!!!!!
 
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Hey guys!
The help i need is my band is a screamo / sing band, but mostly singing.
I have an AT2020 condenser microphone. He sings well but hasnt recorded anything yet.

Can you give me any starter tips for recording vocals?
What should i get to make the vocals sound a bit more professional?
budget 100-200$ or lower maybe can go up to 300$.

Well having a preamp that sounds like a Neve 1073 or API 512 might help...the Line6 UX2 can give you this...suggestions like the SM58 or 57 above is a step in the right direction, as there arent many pro studios that I know of that are using starter mics like the AT2020...those Shure Dynamics are good to stick with untill you can afford to get an AT40 series mic...Bands like Led Zeppelin...Bad Company and Pearl Jam got thier vocal sound using the Shures.
 
Regular method would be close up to the mic (on-axis), use a pop shield.

Singers sometimes have a tendency to move to and from the mic to "compensate"
for level differences (between quieter parts and louder). Don't let this happen.
You, or the mix engineer (if it's someone else) can compress it after, just get
it naturally on the way in.

Also, know the song. If you know there are quieter parts vs. louder parts,
record them as two separate takes, and gain accordingly, (more gain for
quieter parts, less gain for louder parts).

Also, a lot of singers like reverb on their vocals in their headphones. Make
sure the vocalist is as comfortable as possible. Set the mood in studio, with
incense/candles etc. if they like that kind of thing. Ask them if their h/p
mix is ok for them. Look up warming up techniques. Food before singing can
really affect a performance. I'd recommend water and honey.

As far as comfort goes, vocalists are top priority in my books. The performance
is less "mechanical" than playing an instrument, and usually a lot more
intimate and expressive. If they're comfortable, warmed up, and sober :p
they'll blast out to the best of their abilities.

Am I missing anything?

As for what to buy, it really varies amongst different singers. Try to experiment.
It could be worth renting a few well known vocal mics (AKG 414/Neumann U87)
etc. and trying them out.

Cheers,
Phil.

Omg you are my hero this really helps too :)
I appreciate it.
So far people are telling me to get a shure sm57 or 58. and also get a pop filter
So What i might do is buy that and know to get some incense fo sho haha and make sure his fat a** dont eat before recording hahaha. This truly helps alot man.
Thank you thank you thank you!!
 
I use a sure sm57 for vocals...........BUT....i dont have a pop filter so you hear all of those p's and s's....................try a shure SM58 99 dollars BRAND New and sound Damn good for how cheap they are. If you ended up or already have bought a shure SM57 or were thinking about one for vocals i wouldn't reccomend it. ........i would leave that for Micing guitar/bass amps.

Also rule of thumb is...........if your your lead singer is very loud or screams into the mic you are going to want a "DYNAMIC MICROPHONE"

a dynamic microphone can withstand a lot more pressure than a condensor or ribbon mic.

cheers!!!!!!

How can i tell if its a dynamic microphone?
On musiciansfriend.com it only has the regular mics. :P
 
Well having a preamp that sounds like a Neve 1073 or API 512 might help...the Line6 UX2 can give you this...suggestions like the SM58 or 57 above is a step in the right direction, as there arent many pro studios that I know of that are using starter mics like the AT2020...those Shure Dynamics are good to stick with untill you can afford to get an AT40 series mic...Bands like Led Zeppelin...Bad Company and Pearl Jam got thier vocal sound using the Shures.

Preamp? whats that.
 
A SM57 is fine for vocals. If you're getting pops, it's not the mic.

I'm not a big fan of the SM57 for vocals. And i do get ALOT of pops if im not extremely careful. The SM58 has a pop filter which eliminates this.
 
I'm not a big fan of the SM57 for vocals. And i do get ALOT of pops if im not extremely careful. The SM58 has a pop filter which eliminates this.

ahhhhh i see :)
So SM58 for sure?
Can i use it as a second mic for my amp?
 
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