TexRoadkill
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The rooms look great. I'm hardly an expert but I would expect them to sound great. Unfortunately with acoustics you never know for sure until it's built.
Recording room designs (fixed image problem)--Please evaluate
RICK FITZPATRICK
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Ok, Shane, no offence intended towards a STUDENT architect. I suspect I have become an opininated old fart with no tolerance left for what disgusts me. Take it with a grain of salt, cause you'll never have to deal with me personally. For what its worth, I do respect the work that goes into obtaining a degree. However, see how long it takes to become an expert mechanic. Or any other field that takes years to become profiecient at. No difference. Except pay, and thats a real piss off in my book.
As far as your renderings go, I would say as design goes, they are excellent. What I'd rather see, is a set of acoustical specs that tell the real story, although I'm no acoustics expert so it wouldn't tell me much anyway.
Steve is the person to qualify your design, but probably as I said, by way of specs. How else can you design a real studio? Ok, I've said enough here, except a little advice. When you graduate, the thousands of workers who ultimately will build your designs BUST THIER ASS, just as hard as you do. But without them, your abilitys and skills would be worthless. Treat them with respect and you will gain respect and quality work. Treat them like you are somehow better than them, and you will get shit for quality. I've seen it. No one will give their best, for a prick.
Lastly, good luck with your career, and your thesis. Nice design and hope you can build it someday.
fitZ
As far as your renderings go, I would say as design goes, they are excellent. What I'd rather see, is a set of acoustical specs that tell the real story, although I'm no acoustics expert so it wouldn't tell me much anyway.
Steve is the person to qualify your design, but probably as I said, by way of specs. How else can you design a real studio? Ok, I've said enough here, except a little advice. When you graduate, the thousands of workers who ultimately will build your designs BUST THIER ASS, just as hard as you do. But without them, your abilitys and skills would be worthless. Treat them with respect and you will gain respect and quality work. Treat them like you are somehow better than them, and you will get shit for quality. I've seen it. No one will give their best, for a prick.
Lastly, good luck with your career, and your thesis. Nice design and hope you can build it someday.
fitZ
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MArch_Thesis,
I was glad to see that you've changed those square feet to cubic feet
good boy
I was glad to see that you've changed those square feet to cubic feet
good boy
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MArch_Thesis
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This thread has transformed into a very interesting look at the profession of architecture. I'm starting to see an idea for an entirely new thesis project, however as the end of the semester is nearing, I must stick with the one I started. Let me see if I can address everyone's questions: Rick: I have done recording before. Music was actually my first love before architecture. I was in a rock band during my first college years, and had the opportunity to record a six-song demo in a modest recording studio for almost nothing. It was an experience that I enjoyed the hell out of, and wouldn't trade for anything. I wanted to move in to that guy's studio. But, my band soon found out exactly how hard it was to make it in the music industry, so we all moved on to other things. That's where my interest in recording studios came from--we were told to pick a thesis topic that we were passionate about. There you have it. Steve: I have been looking at Newell's work--Recording Spaces was a primary source for my research...nice catch. Also, my post was sort-of last minute--my thesis presentation is on the 19th, so any feedback would be ideal if it was before that date. However, don't feel obligated by that date, I want to know what people have to say whether it is before or after my presentation.
I must say that I appreciate all of your comments here, even Rick's. This forum is a learning experience for me, and hopefully for everyone else that takes a look. Being an architecture student, I have a unique perspective into the profession. I have also worked in architecture offices for about 3 years now, and have had some modest construction experience. Unforunately, a lot of what you guys have been saying is true. There are a lot of primadonna assholes out there who think they know everything. However, I like to think that I am much more humble that that. I'll be the first to tell you that for the most part I don't know what the hell I'm doing--but that doesn't mean I shoudn't at least try. One big problem with architectural schools these days is that design is almost all they teach. Budget, practicality, methods of construction, dealing with clients, etc---PRACTICE in a nutshell, is something that rookies such as myself are forced to learn after school, in an office. That is the main reason why architectural graduates must intern for 3 years before they can be licensed. I don't necessarily agree with this system, however as it is not foolproof. Many times, graduates are stuck doing redlines for 3 years, and are not allowed to learn what they need to learn, especially if their boss is an arrogant prick such as the ones mentioned here. Thus, they are no better off than when they started. I'm trying NOT to go down that road.
I would like to think that as a student I have raised the bar a little in terms of my thesis project. Most architects don't even bother with acoustical design--they just hire a consultant and let them worry about it--I think that's a crock. I would never, however, undertake such a design without hiring one. Also, most architectural students don't bother getting any feedback on their designs--what good is that? That's why I posted to this forum in the first place, to see if what I have designed is plausible(forgetting about cost, of course). I think Darryl hit the nail on the head with his post.
Anyways, enough from the lowly architectural student, I have said my piece.
Shane
I must say that I appreciate all of your comments here, even Rick's. This forum is a learning experience for me, and hopefully for everyone else that takes a look. Being an architecture student, I have a unique perspective into the profession. I have also worked in architecture offices for about 3 years now, and have had some modest construction experience. Unforunately, a lot of what you guys have been saying is true. There are a lot of primadonna assholes out there who think they know everything. However, I like to think that I am much more humble that that. I'll be the first to tell you that for the most part I don't know what the hell I'm doing--but that doesn't mean I shoudn't at least try. One big problem with architectural schools these days is that design is almost all they teach. Budget, practicality, methods of construction, dealing with clients, etc---PRACTICE in a nutshell, is something that rookies such as myself are forced to learn after school, in an office. That is the main reason why architectural graduates must intern for 3 years before they can be licensed. I don't necessarily agree with this system, however as it is not foolproof. Many times, graduates are stuck doing redlines for 3 years, and are not allowed to learn what they need to learn, especially if their boss is an arrogant prick such as the ones mentioned here. Thus, they are no better off than when they started. I'm trying NOT to go down that road.
I would like to think that as a student I have raised the bar a little in terms of my thesis project. Most architects don't even bother with acoustical design--they just hire a consultant and let them worry about it--I think that's a crock. I would never, however, undertake such a design without hiring one. Also, most architectural students don't bother getting any feedback on their designs--what good is that? That's why I posted to this forum in the first place, to see if what I have designed is plausible(forgetting about cost, of course). I think Darryl hit the nail on the head with his post.
Anyways, enough from the lowly architectural student, I have said my piece.
Shane
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brzilian
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Rick,
Sounds like you have issues and something to prove.
I had to work for a prick like you who had no formal education in design, went to school for music and made a career of blatanly plagiarizing other people's designs.
When I decided to voice my opinion (and factual evidence) about what I thougt needed to be done in order to keep the company I worked for profitable, I got an earful from this same Ass Hole and was told I was laid off a few months later. Never mind I had a degree in Design as well as 4 years of professional experience and a track history of succesful product in the fields I designed for.
Guess what! That same company just filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy last week! What comes around, goes around...
I have no time for people like you and really don't care to hear about your "trials" in life and how it made you a better architect.
You see, ego is the biggest killer of good talent and your ego is waaay to big at this point.
Shane, I am very impressed by your work and your skills will take you far. Just watch out for the rest of the arrogant old farts in this world.
Sounds like you have issues and something to prove.
I had to work for a prick like you who had no formal education in design, went to school for music and made a career of blatanly plagiarizing other people's designs.
When I decided to voice my opinion (and factual evidence) about what I thougt needed to be done in order to keep the company I worked for profitable, I got an earful from this same Ass Hole and was told I was laid off a few months later. Never mind I had a degree in Design as well as 4 years of professional experience and a track history of succesful product in the fields I designed for.
Guess what! That same company just filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy last week! What comes around, goes around...
I have no time for people like you and really don't care to hear about your "trials" in life and how it made you a better architect.
You see, ego is the biggest killer of good talent and your ego is waaay to big at this point.
Shane, I am very impressed by your work and your skills will take you far. Just watch out for the rest of the arrogant old farts in this world.
RICK FITZPATRICK
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Hmmmmm, did you actually read my post or just scan it. I NEVER said I was an architect. I SAID I design from experience. And I don't design buildings so how the fuck could I plagurize an architect. I also SAID my drawings were taken by architects. So what fuck are you talking about? As I also said, I have earned my opinion, and whether you like it or not is of no consequense.
BTW, if you don't have time, why the fuck did you take the time to "read" my perspective view?
Frankly, yea, maybe I'm an opinionated old fart, so what? I said NOTHING in regards to Shanes talent, nor intent, nor future, nor skills, nor ANYTHING about him personally. My opinion was was testimony to my dealings with certain architects who were arrogant pricks. PERIOD. I have yet to come in contact with one that didn't act as though he could walk on water.
Shane, you said it better than I ever could. And good for you. You sound like someone I would not mind interfaceing professionaly with, and I believe you will do justice to your profession. Sincerely, I hope your thesis does well, and you reach your potential in this endeavor. Good luck with your recording also. Don't EVER forget it is the music that is important. Recording science is at the heart of studio design, but without the music, there would be no point. However, the challenges are numerous as I'm sure your aware of. I would think lifting the musicians spirit in an environment such as a studio would also be of utmost importance, although after reading numerous musicians responses from experience in performance in well known studios, designed by architects in this field who will remain nameless, I would say they really didn't have a clue. Time and again on another forum, I've read how certain "professional" studios sounded like crap to the musicians., which if I were in that position, would tend to make my playing uninspired, as NO musician plays well when the acoustics sound like crap. Ask any singer who must sing dry to a track in headphones. Well, enough of my laymans opinion. Again, good luck with your endeavor. And sorry about dragging my professional opinion into this. As you surely know, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the world at large. Hey, don't run away either, now that we've got the crap outa the way
WELCOME TO the BBS!! Keep us up to date on your progress, as we ALL are interested in studio design at large. Not just HR, although, after posting on the .alt physics acoustics forum, I get the feeling that acousticians are not interested in small spaces such as the average Homerecording proponents must use. To me, the problems with small room acoustics are inherently below the scope of most professional interest as one acoustician put it...you can't lengthen RT60 in a small room, only shorten it by absorption, and diffusion is done the same way, as most HR rooms are smaller than loz wavelengths, so how can you balance it. Therefore, rooms whose dimensions lie within wavelength are a compromise at best.If I've somehow misconstrued this, someone please clarify, as it seems difficult to discuss with acousticians who post on other forums, especially as a layman.
fitZ