Recording EP- Advice?

[chamelious]

I've thought about getting one for myself before but they're not useable for a metalcore band and my drummer wouldn't touch them.

 

[Ripthorn]

Then it appears as though the studio is the only real option. Why aren't e-drums good for metalcore, is there something wrong with a guy with long hair and torn clothes beating on some sissy sized mesh heads making zero noise whatsoever?

 

[jaybriggs84]

If the drum kit your drummer has isn't that great, many studios have a studio kit and sometimes a few different ones you can use. Before I had my Yamaha kit kit, we recorded using a studios kit, it was an old gretsch stop sign badge kit, very cool.

 

[chamelious]

Then it appears as though the studio is the only real option. Why aren't e-drums good for metalcore, is there something wrong with a guy with long hair and torn clothes beating on some sissy sized mesh heads making zero noise whatsoever?

The technoogy still isn't good enough to replace acoustic.

And yeah we might use a studio's kit but my drummer is looking at some new drums atm, so we might not have to.

 

[Ironklad Audio]

The technoogy still isn't good enough to replace acoustic.

i call bullshit on that one. buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull-shit.

if your v-amp can cut it on a demo, so can v-drums...get a decent little rubber kit, export the tracks into a good drum sequencer with a solid sample library, and no one will ever know the difference.

 

[chamelious]

i call bullshit on that one. buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull-shit.

if your v-amp can cut it on a demo, so can v-drums...get a decent little rubber kit, export the tracks into a good drum sequencer with a solid sample library, and no one will ever know the difference.

Its an EP, not a demo.

Why would i spend money on a set of V-drums, just for a demo, when its gonna cost us £20 each to get my drummers decent drums recorded by 10 mics? Have you any idea how much a *decent* rubber kit is? On top of that have you any idea how much my drummer woudn't be willing to play them?

I said the technology isn't good enough yet and i stand by that.

 

[BrentDomann]

[H]ave you any idea how much my drummer woudn't be willing to play them?

I said the technology isn't good enough yet and i stand by that.

This reads like it's not the technology that isn't ready, but your drummer. The technology has come a long way, especially for an EP that you intend to finish at home.

This may be the most uninformed question ever asked, but won't this drummer listen to reason? OK, more realistically, can't you just tell him he's being a jerk if he's putting the kit before the record? Ask him: "Are you a man? Are you a metal drummer? Are you a goliath armed with hickory rods, or are you going to whine about your kit? Shouldn't you be in an emo band?"

That'll set him straight!

 

[chamelious]

Haha, funny stuff, but the question still remains. How many metal bands have you seen playing V-Drums. Why would i spend money on them when they will cost a good ten times more than the studio time we have booked.

 

[BrentDomann]

Haha, funny stuff, but the question still remains. How many metal bands have you seen playing V-Drums.

Now I'm not 100% sure about this, but I'd venture to guess that for the really heavy stuff, most of it recorded in the last five years layers triggered samples with the original playing. Drumagog and programs like it really seem to have come into their own based heavily on growing reliance in the hard rock and metal genres.

Why would i spend money on them when they will cost a good ten times more than the studio time we have booked.

This is a perfectly valid point, and probably is the answer to why you wouldn't use V-Drums.

 

[chamelious]

Now I'm not 100% sure about this, but I'd venture to guess that for the really heavy stuff, most of it recorded in the last five years layers triggered samples with the original playing. Drumagog and programs like it really seem to have come into their own based heavily on growing reliance in the hard rock and metal genres.
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Yer definatly, i plan to trigger the kick at the very least.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Now I'm not 100% sure about this, but I'd venture to guess that for the really heavy stuff, most of it recorded in the last five years layers triggered samples with the original playing. Drumagog and programs like it really seem to have come into their own based heavily on growing reliance in the hard rock and metal genres.

Yup

Also, if budget's tight the ability to edit MIDI events rather than actual drum audio is the difference between night and day

Personally I consider it my calling card to edit the living shit out of multitrack drum audio, and have helped design tools to do just that. Still it isn't for the faint of heart, and I STILL end up triggering the wooden parts a lot.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Your guitar sound is a little weak for the heavy metal sound you're after. Try a 15 watt Fender Frontman; even better is a Frontman driving a 4x12 Marshall bottom.

 

[chamelious]

Your guitar sound is a little weak for the heavy metal sound you're after. Try a 15 watt Fender Frontman; even better is a Frontman driving a 4x12 Marshall bottom.

Out of budget for the moment. Im looking at a 5150/6505 combo when i have the money, which will be either a long time or never. Just have to make do for now, im going to try quad tracking on the actual EP. But thanks for your honesty!

Well the times come and we're in the studio tonight doing the drums. Will have some mixes up in the next week or so for you to hear, thanks for everyones help.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Out of budget for the moment.

I find the Fender 15 watt Frontman on Craigslist all the time for around $20. That's too much?

 

[WhiteStrat]

I find the Fender 15 watt Frontman on Craigslist all the time for around $20. That's too much?

Warning: Hijack In Progress

Harvery--are you serious? Do you record a 15 W Frontman? I just never guessed--but then, you don't know until you try. Anyway, I've got one that hasn't been touched in a couple years, so you got me curious.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

If its got the speaker out jack on the front (in addition to the headphone jack), try running it into a Marshall 4x12 bottom. It'll blow you away.

It's our secret weapon. (We have 3 of the 15 watt Frontmen at the studio.)

 

[WhiteStrat]

If its got the speaker out jack on the front (in addition to the headphone jack), try running it into a Marshall 4x12 bottom. It'll blow you away.

It's our secret weapon. (We have 3 of the 15 watt Frontmen at the studio.)

Well I'll be...(he said in his best Andy Griffith voice).

I don't have a Marshall cab, but I've got a 2 x 12 voiced for heavy guitar, so I'll give it a shot!

 

[JuliánFernández]

Harvey, does your Frontman have reverb?

Do you use it to record clean and overdriven guitars or just clean?

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Harvey, does your Frontman have reverb?

Do you use it to record clean and overdriven guitars or just clean?

No reverb. We record both clean and overdriven guitars with it.

 

[Daisy]

... And f you listen really closely, you can hear the sound of a herd of lemmings rushing out to buy a bunch of cheap, solid state toy Fender amps.