recording drums last......

[Minion]

I pretty much refuse to play to a Click Track, I allways Track Drums First and then do Bass and Guitar...I can play to a Click but it makes my Playing Bad because I have to Play quietly so I can hear the Click Track and Makes my Music sound Mechanical because it Follows a computerized timeing and my Music has some awkward Timeings that can not be Click Tracked.....


Cheers

 

[RAMI]

I pretty much refuse to play to a Click Track, I allways Track Drums First and then do Bass and Guitar...I can play to a Click but it makes my Playing Bad because I have to Play quietly so I can hear the Click Track and Makes my Music sound Mechanical because it Follows a computerized timeing and my Music has some awkward Timeings that can not be Click Tracked.....


Cheers

Give me a break.

 

[mrface2112]

and my Music has some awkward Timeings that can not be Click Tracked.....

did this statement give anyone else flashbacks from the Mixerman Diaries?

i have a friend who plays guitar a lot like this. i wouldn't dream of snapping him to a click or a grid.


cheers,
wade

 

[RAMI]

did this statement give anyone else flashbacks from the Mixerman Diaries?

i have a friend who plays guitar a lot like this. i wouldn't dream of snapping him to a click or a grid.


cheers,
wade

When I worked at a music store, you wouldn't believe the amount of idiots that would return metronomes because they (the metronomes) wouldn't keep time properly...hehe...

 

[mrface2112]

When I worked at a music store, you wouldn't believe the amount of idiots that would return metronomes because they (the metronomes) wouldn't keep time properly...hehe...

oh, i'd believe it alright. i had a guy once tell me that something was wrong with the click b/c it kept getting out of sync with his drumming.

of course, being the ever-nice engineer (and in the interest of good studio/client relations), i told him that he was right and that something must indeed be wrong with the click--and that since it would take me a couple hours to track down what bit was getting dropped where , that in the interest of saving them time and money, i'd just turn it off.

the guy wasn't a bad drummer.....he just couldn't keep a steady 120bpm. he'd waver somewhere between 118 and 122 in the course of the song, which certainly screwed with the click.

heaven help him if they ever recorded a song where the verses were at 118 and the choruses at 122 or so. i find that for that type of production, a click is absolutely essential.


cheers,
wade

 

[Robert D]

On a solo project I usually record scratch rythem tracks to a click, then drums, then re-record the rythem section with more feel playing to the drums. Sometimes I'll turn off the click while tracking the drums if the rythemic elements of the gtr, bass, and keyboards are strong enough to lock to. That often produces drum tracks with more feel.

 

[Minion]

Not all Music Follows a set beat....I have some Songs that start atr one tempo but slowly change tempo as the song progresses which can not be Click Tracked...Plus Click Tracking takes away from a Bands Dynamic as music doesn"t have to be the same every time you play it nor does it have to be the same tempo every time....

 

[blueroommusic]

I have some Songs that start atr one tempo but slowly change tempo as the song progresses

have you tried using a tempo map?

 

[mrface2112]

have you tried using a tempo map?

Tempo maps (tempo track, whatever the DAW calls it) are the ONLY way to fly. i've got one song that the verses are at 118bpm and the choruses are around 122--it's a subtle change, but gives a lot more urgency to the choruses and helps the verses "pull back".

for me, the click on that one was absolutely necessary--otherwise i'd end up keeping the verses at the tempo of the chorus.

the trick with it is to gradually increase the bpm over a measure or two for the buildup (so it doesn't seem so sudden) and decrease it over several measures when you're slowing back down.......unless of course you want sudden speedup/slowdowns as a production decision.

 

[xstatic]

Not all Music Follows a set beat....I have some Songs that start atr one tempo but slowly change tempo as the song progresses which can not be Click Tracked...Plus Click Tracking takes away from a Bands Dynamic as music doesn"t have to be the same every time you play it nor does it have to be the same tempo every time....

Click tracking does NOT take away from a bands dynamic. Yes, some songs need tempo mapping, and some just do not go well with click tracks. However, to blindly and flat out say that click tracking takes away a bands dynamic is just making an excuse for poor timing and performance and attempting to jusitfy it. More often than not a click track can be used very succesfully, assuming the musicians are CAPABLE of playing in time.