Recommend a vocal mic for me?

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ametth said:
I dont even care if he states his opinions on other companys, thats what we're here for. But when you start recommending your own mics with no abandon, thats where you cross the line. Alan has no shame and is a salesman through and through.
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I think he's a very clever and shrewd marketing person, and as a marketing guy, he knows his stuff. He's discovered a FREE advertising vehicle that works well for him. Kudos.

In all fairness to Alan, he did answer a direct question regarding a competitor and didn't try to bash them or steer me away from them. I don't think he knew anything about them (a transformer in the 2003?) . . . but he at least tried to answer knowlegeably, and even admitted to owning a few of the mxl line.

Ammetth, even though I do not think this is the proper time or place to air our complaints . . . and I mentioned that already . . . I have to side with you in at least one respect: I'm afraid Alan hasn't exactly earned his keep around here in other ways. Given his supposed vast knowlege and expertise in audio engineering, I sure would like to hear him share some of that knowlege in the recording and/or mixing forum.

I'd like to hear what he has to say about micing techniques (XY vs. wide stereo) . . . I don't think any of us even knows what kind of setup he has . . . pro tools? Analog? Hybrid? I'm kind of curious about this stuff. Someone had a good question earlier about using a condenser on the bass drum. Where is Alan on that one? In summarly, I just think that if Alan wants to host his own little spam fest on the bbs's real estate, then he needs to do a better job of "paying the mortgage."
 
I want to jump in at this point and mention a few facts that I have seen Alan post here, since there seems to a lot of concern about his honesty in commenting about his brand of mics. He was asked directly about some specific points and these were his answers:

He prefers the sound of the C3 to the sound of the C1. Is it because the C3 is more expensive? If that were the case, he would have said he prefers the sound of the T3, but he didn't say that. Alan also said that while he likes the sound of the C1, he would have no qualms about using a Marshall V67 if a C1 wasn't available. I think that says a lot about Alan's integrity.

Some of Alan's honest enthusiasm for his babys can probably be considered spam, but I understand his enthusiasm - he's trying to make low cost mics that will please him as an engineer. That's a noble cause. I've tried to do that all my life, when I was designing things. I designed stuff that I wanted to use. If it became popular, all the better.

Alan believes in his products, maybe too enthusiastically for some of the people here, but it's a sincere belief - after numerous conversations with Alan, I have absolutely no doubt of that.

To Alan, it's more about spreading the "gospel" - it's not spam to him, and it's not spam to people like me, who understand his genuine love for this industry and his pride in putting out something he came up with that fills a real need.

That's all I wanted to say. Just try to understand where Alan is coming from, and cut him a little slack from time to time, if he gets too carried away. He's a damn nice guy who deserves respect.
 
Harvey,

Thats all fine and good. I'm glad he making products for the bottom feeders such as myslef. But he's gotta cut with the spam (and it is).

You dont see Fletcher, Dan Kennedy, Brent Casey, and list of others pimping their stuff like Alan does. No. They let others do it, becasue they make products that are great and people believe in. If Alan stuff holds up and he continues to make quality gear, other people will step up to the plate...he wont have to.
 
Ammeth.No you do not agree with me.My position is that we do not need a moderator to remove post that you think to be spam.That is what a true lemming would want,someone to make their decision for them.I can make up my own mind what constitutes spam and frankly I haven't seen it.Even if something were to be spam no one needs you to point it out.If it is there we will see it.

Randy"the lemming"Yell

BTW,if you are alone in your fight as you say you are,doesn't that tell you something?
 
The V67 will take at least one fall... knocked the stand over with mine on it the first day I had it.
 
What HE said...
Like most of you guys,I'm a home recorder with a modest setup.Working a day job and recording for fun,hobby,the band etc.
Alan is extremely well mannered,doesn't get into pissing contests or lord it over us lessor hobbiest types.
I am also very interested in what you folks have to say about the B3 when they start getting put to use.
Hell,I don't mind him touting his gear.Many users here have his stuff and are glad of it.
Tom
 
Dan Kennedy is a great example. I talked to the guy on the phone, and he gave me an honest assessment. He told me I should upgrade my mic collection before I even think about getting one of his preamps. He had only good things to say about the Mackie VLZ Pro and the Joemeeks I own, and when he made his brief cameo on the Rack forum, never once did he try to pull a sales job.

I will buy from this guy in a hearbeat one day when I'm ready to make that jump, because he is honest. That said, I will also buy from Alan in a heartbeat because of his customer service -- not his objectivity!
 
Im just glad some people are finally seeing the light about Mr. Hyatt......there was a time when i rambled on and on about his posts and i was told that it was wrong for me to try and be the conscience of this BBS and let the moderators do their job.......

hell at least i got a cool nickname out of it

Love,

Deputy Dirge
 
"Plus, I have numberous times said I don't want to hear anorther accusation of Alan SPAMMING (when the accusations seem to be nearly every post) as I DON'T constitute it as SPAM. You disagree and my decision is not good enough for you, take it up with Dragon! I DON'T know how to stress THAT enough!!! "

quote from RE in a past thread......
 
"You know... It's NO big secret that new posters are now arriving nearly daily to report or comment something about a Studio Projects mic ever since Alan arrived.

Could these be Alan's hired hands? YES! Is it possible? YES!

Again, this is NO big secret.

It is ALSO NO big secret that a good 85% of the recording world has NOT discovered the Internet as of yet. Too be frank, they're too damn busy actually recording and using the gear we talk about to get caught-up in all this bullshit.

With THAT in mind, it's VERY possible that the engineer of your MOST favorite album is posting here for the very first time and you don't even know it!

With those big secrets in mind, though I would keep in the back of my mind the possiblity of the post being of a hired hand, I WOULDN'T jump down someone's throat and accuse them of being apart of SP sabbatoge on their first post or even judge someone on their first 10-20 posts! I'd also realize people will form their own opinions, just as I do myself.

I suppose it all simply comes down to social skills... Who knows how many times I've heard a "big fish" story from someone I met face-to-face. I accept the possibility, but take it with a grain of salt if I have reason (in this case, I notice tons of threads on SP mics since Alan arrived). Of course, every once in awhile, I might find-out it really is 100% true. Or more often, I'll find-out it was just a "big fish" story. Do I call them on it? Nah. For the most part, it's not of any type of deal or simply doesn't matter at all to be worth it. I just know to be even more skeptical with the next story (as I have reason; I've find-out their previous story is not true). You start to realize most people come-up with those "big fish" stories to get attention or to feel good about themselves. If that's what it takes for them, so be it! Most of the time though, I'll NEVER know what REALLY happened.

Now I realize we WOULD say something and take action if we were ever to some how find-out these are all hired hands (which then and ONLY then would constitute as SPAM), but otherwise, nothing really needs to be said."

another quote from RE.....
 
That's it Alan I quit working for you and Studio Projects!
Even Gidge is going "CSI" on us-time to bail out before we get
caught. Guess the new Ferrari's going back to the dealer after all, bummer.

ametth, I understand and respect your concern over the general
topic of spam control as far as setting standards on our bbs.
Harvey's post, however, hit the nail on the head.
Alan at heart REALLY is a "gear nut" like the rest of us way, way
before being Mr. Salesman IMNSHO. Otherwise he'd probably make more money by spending less time here hanging out here. When's the last time one of the Neumann's dropped by for a
chat? FWIW, if I had an issue with someone, the first step would be a private e-mail or phone call as appropriate, rather than
attempting a disciplinary action over a public internet bbs.
To praise in public (internet) and question in private seems to be the best way to initiate clearing up misunderstandings IMHO.
This is not meant as a specific criticism of your actions ametth,
it's rather the shortcomings of the internet itself to clear these
differences of opinion up.

P.S. Always remember never to let the truth stand in the way of
a good story, fishy or otherwise!
 
I wanna' know how I can get on Alan's payroll.

I could use the money.

Better start practicing. How's this Alan? :

Thread Title: Golly Gee, I sure do like my new SP Mic !

Author: SP Fanforlife, Newbie, # of posts:0

Text: Wow, long-time listener, first-time caller. He he. I just wanted to let everyone know how much I really really really like my new Studio Projects B-series mic. I sure do like the -10 db pad, bass rolloff switch, as well as the internal "anti-shock" feature that virtually makes the shockmount completely unnecessary! And for $150, it sure is a better value than most any other mic in it's price range. And it sounds swwwweeeetttt ! ! ! Just perfect for the budget-conscious novice mic shopper looking for the best possible value in sound. Like me! Golly Gee. Ayone else have one of these things? Let's talk about it.


Hey how was that, Alan! Can I get on your payroll now ? ? ? !!!
 
How come only a couple of people seem to have problems with Alan? How come some of those people rarely post anything very helpful? How come every so often Gidge and Ametth get their panties in a bundle about the same thing? How come Gidge posts so many times in a row like that? If I were moderator, I'd burn those posts too. I'm trying to start fires but this is old guys....c'mon!

I dont own anything by SP but I know Alan is a cool guy who makes no bones about who he is. Actually, his recomendation was right on. Who else offers a 3 pattern mic for a hundred and a half?????


Fuck me what do I know? I like recording and I like when I can speak with guys like Alan and Harvey. I thank the Gods of technology everyday for the wealth of info and people I can find in a click of the mouse. If i wanted to bitch, I got enough to bitch about in real life.



heylow, sucka:mad:
 
heylow said:
How come some of those people rarely post anything very helpful?
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Because I rarely have anything to add anymore. I use things like Avalon, Neve, Telefunken, Neumann, etc....I'm not telling you this to brag. But I have nothing to say about the best chinese mic uner 200 bucks, dont use em.

When I can help, I do. But mostly I'm just here to get my panties in a bundle.
 
ametth said:


Because I rarely have anything to add anymore. I use things like Avalon, Neve, Telefunken, Neumann, etc....I'm not telling you this to brag. But I have nothing to say about the best chinese mic uner 200 bucks, dont use em.

When I can help, I do. But mostly I'm just here to get my panties in a bundle.
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LOL:D

Ok cool. Understood. But I still don't understand why you bother to get so upset with Alan that it causes these 4 page debates.

Frankly, and I dont mean disrespect, but if you are that much further up on the chain than some of us, why do you even care what happens to the "best mic under 200 bucks" forum?

I dunno....

I suppose I should have kept out of this. It's a no win situation, really, for everyone...that only serves as something to do other than recording/learning.


Unbundling my own panties,

heylow:D
 
ametth said:
Because I rarely have anything to add anymore. I use things like Avalon, Neve, Telefunken, Neumann, etc....I'm not telling you this to brag. But I have nothing to say about the best chinese mic uner 200 bucks, dont use em.
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I wish I had that problem!

:(
 
heylow said:



LOL:D

Ok cool. Understood. But I still don't understand why you bother to get so upset with Alan that it causes these 4 page debates.

Frankly, and I dont mean disrespect, but if you are that much further up on the chain than some of us, why do you even care what happens to the "best mic under 200 bucks" forum?

I dunno....

I suppose I should have kept out of this. It's a no win situation, really, for everyone...that only serves as something to do other than recording/learning.


Unbundling my own panties,

heylow:D
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I stay here.....well, because I started here and I like it here. I used to be a Mackie (shit, not even mackie...some no name crap board) and a Radioshack mic guy. Then I moved on. I've forged alot of friendships here and I would hate to leave.

I get so upset with Alan because I dont wanna see this board turn into a big advert for companies selling mics (or whatever they're selling)...and thats what'll happen if Alan continues to promote his mics here. He is a good salesman, and he has it good here. It's gonna get really bad if this continues.
 
In the words of the great Rodney King:"Can't we all just get along?":D

If you read these threads you will see that there are only a couple people here think that there is any problem at all.Now to those guys,I'm sorry that we don't agree but you have spoken your piece and now it is time for peace.The majority of members seem to have no problem with Alan (matter of fact,I think he is a very valuable asset here) and now we have heard your arguements and know your opinions(and you know ours).I think that the people on both sides are valuable members of our little community and it is time to agree to disagree.It is time to move on.
 
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