Realistic opinion please.

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hi.

i've been doing music until now just purely for fun. i mail out CDs for free to anyone who asks and i make them for friends all the time. however, people have been telling me i should consider selling them commerically..........

so... i guess my question is, what do you guys think?

now, when you listen, you don't really need to comment on mixing.... cause i know the sound quality ain't too great. these songs were recorded almost 7 years ago from one single Roland synth straight to computer. no processing. so, yes, the mix sucks. however, now i have 50x the equipment i had before... so now i have the capabilities of putting out something much higher quality...................................

so, mind tell me what you think of the compositions themselves?--think i got a chance? the most impressive songs are Introduction, Embrace, and Lighter and Lighter:

www.fallingtodreams.com

thanks,
dean
 
Little advice...never take career advice from a bunch of dickheads on a BBS. Without listening, I can tell you that you CAN sell your music if you want to...

Sorry I can't listen now, but for the love of GOD, it's 4 in the morning...you trying to get me divorced or something?

Dream big, dream often, and if your mixes suck, lol...fix 'em... :D
 
BAHAHAHAHHAAaaa...and, I see from your mp3 site that you're ALREADY selling them...

Well good for you.

Now I'm not listening, lol.
 
heh he................ that's because it is using samples! but i figure it's okay...... like vangelis.... he makes an effort to make it sound realistic, but we all know it's all synthesized.

so... what you guys think?
 
Nope I didn't mean to link to anybody's post except mine. I went on a rant about mp3.com. I'm not registering there to listen

Most of the stuff here is on nowhereradio.com but if you have another server site that's all good too. Just don't ask me to register for more spam.

A lot of posters (myself included) use samples here, that's not a biggie. Let me know if you come up with an alternate site.
 
oh! okay....

well, when mp3.com asks you for info, just type in bullshit. "dsaljhdsaj" for name. "fskhsf@fjdlslsfd.com" for email address..... and so on. they don't check the info. everytime i show a friend, i just type in the bullshit stuff. don't have to be so truthful ;)

i would appreciate some comments though......... i wouldn't call this a career descision really..... just whether it's worth going through the time and expense of pressing the CDs and marketing them.
 
Orpheus said:
i would appreciate some comments though......... i wouldn't call this a career descision really..... just whether it's worth going through the time and expense of pressing the CDs and marketing them.
I'll listen as soon as I can fire up the monitors, but your comment still bugs me enough to comment again. Dude, DO IT, lol.

If the next 4 random people on the net come by and tell you this is the greatest thing they've ever heard, I'm assuming you'll print some copies and try to sell them; but if the next 4 people come by and tell you it sounds like ass and you should take up golf, you should still do what you obviously want to do, which is sell some CD's, lol.

I promise, I'll give some honest feedback as soon as I can (and after I listen to wfaroni's tune, lol), but you don't need a reason to ask for opinions here...just ask.

-The "I'll Probably Be Back This Evening But Don't Be Ashamed To Bump Your Own Thread If You're Not Getting Feedback" Guy :D
 
I've played and listend to a lot of instrumental music so I have a little bit of a perspective. I listened to a few random pieces. Listening on low fi really sucks because half of the draw of this kind of music is the sonics and without it you have already lost half of the battle.

The songs themselves weren't bad and the performance is adequate. A Long Time Past had some interesting textures but to be honest the songs didn't really seem to go anywhere. Lost in Maed Snaed seemed a little more interesting song wise.

I could tell even with the lofi version there are some mix issues. You act like the mix quality isnt a big deal but if you are going to sell something than it becomes a huge deal. When people pay money for something they expect a cetain level of quality and not to have their woofers get blown out. Your stuff may not be that bad but it's hard to judge with the lo fi version.

I worked with a guy who was an amazing piano player and he did a big one man orchestra kind of gig at Art and Wine festivals. We could sell around 300- 500 CDs for $15each over a weekend when we were lucky (big crowds, nice weather, his hypochondria not acting up). A lot of that was just because of his killer chops and energetic live performance though.

If you have some avenues for marketing it might be worth printing some copies. You'd better have some good web sites or actual stores willing to pimp it or your going to get stuck with a lot of CDs to give out to friends for the rest of your life.
 
Orpheus said:
i would appreciate some comments though......... i wouldn't call this a career descision really..... just whether it's worth going through the time and expense of pressing the CDs and marketing them.
Ok, fire up a spreadsheet.

What is it costing you right now to burn a CD and print a label and slap the thing together, including a reasonable cost of your time.

Now how many thousands will you have to buy in order to get a really cheap price for each.

Now how many of those will you have to sell before you have saved money over just burning them yourself.

Finally at your current or reasonably expected sales rate how many years will it take you to sell that many?

You can do a pretty good job with something you do yourself if you do it with the same pride and care as you put into your music.

And if the sales rate changes you can redo that spreadsheet and see if the numbers begin to make sense or not.

Now as for the music itself it doesn't excite me, but then neither does a lot of other New Age music that sells a lot, so who am I to tell? My favorite genres of music are Jazz, Classical, Traditional Blues and Rock. Compared to those this sort of New Age goes nowhere and takes forever to do it. But as its proponents would say that is the point of it.
 
Yeah, I should have mentioned, I was talking about a DIY thing, lol...NOT AN ACTUAL INVESTMENT....

(still haven't listened, lol)

I guess it's been 6 or 7 months since my latest disaster of "I can't master" hit the very small world that surrounds me...I gave away about 100, I've sold a little over 3,500 of them gigging a couple of weekends a month and through my band's morbidly obese and self-serving emailer, lol...and every damned one of them has been burnt on my Sony CD burner one at a time at 2X, lol (except Gidge's, b/c I just KNEW he'd use it for a coaster)...If you're talking small volume like that, it's kind of like found money after awhile...CD's are cheap. Of course, I've had a couple of people who were pissed that it wouldn't play on their DVD player, lol, but I figure most of them never even made it all the way to people's houses before they became digital frisbees anyway, SO GO FOR IT (and be sure to roll off the lows) :D

A word of advice if you go this route, do NOT make a 4 page glossy insert, lol...I've worn out about 10 cutter blades and I'm REALLY sick of seeing those lyric sheets.
 
chrisharris said:
(still haven't listened, lol)

You the only person who make 4 posts on a thread without even listening to the song, lol.

The key ingredient for you and my friend selling CDs was using a live performance to push them. If you can't get somebody to buy a CD after seeing you play live then you'll never get people to buy. I wouldn't expect much sales just off of a website unless you could get a lot of publicity somehow.
 
chrisharris,
but if the next 4 people come by and tell you it sounds like ass and you should take up golf, you should still do what you obviously want to do, which is sell some CD's, lol.
...you have a point there. .........but it would feel much better if there was support.

Innovations,
Compared to those this sort of New Age goes nowhere and takes forever to do it.
i'm not sure which songs you listened to.... but most of my songs definitely "go somewhere." at least much more than jazz does. perhaps you didn't listen to the entire song? Blues and Rock definitely don't go anywhere.... if you're talking climax and that sort of thing. .....only Classical seems to "go somewhere"... because that's what good newer-Classical pieces do.

Texroadkill,
The songs themselves weren't bad and the performance is adequate. A Long Time Past had some interesting textures but to be honest the songs didn't really seem to go anywhere. Lost in Maed Snaed seemed a little more interesting song wise.
hmm.......... you listened to the VERY first pieces i EVER wrote. we're talking LONG time ago... hence the name, "A Long Time Past." yes, the old songs don't go anywhere... you're right. the newer stuff does a little more. ....but i never really intended the music to make the usual huge climax that many listeners listen for. i prefer a song that takes you on a journey.
I could tell even with the lofi version there are some mix issues. You act like the mix quality isnt a big deal but if you are going to sell something than it becomes a huge deal. When people pay money for something they expect a cetain level of quality and not to have their woofers get blown out. Your stuff may not be that bad but it's hard to judge with the lo fi version.
of course. like i said, we're not listening for the sound quality because as i have said, this was recorded a long ass time ago without barely any work put into processing. .......if this does go to a commercial release, i will remix EVERYTHING. i have more than $50,000+ worth of equipment now, and i assure you, new recordings will be much more professional. inifinitely more professional. yes, as you have noted, there is too much low-midrange energy, and stuff is muddy and blah blah blah. i appreciate the thought........ but later i will post for advice on mixing.... for now i just want to know if anyone appreciates my music for what it is. also, not all those songs will be on the final CD.... in fact, i think i will only keep Introduction, Embrace, and Lighter and Lighter, AFTER i do A LOT of changes.

chrisharris,
Yeah, I should have mentioned, I was talking about a DIY thing, lol...NOT AN ACTUAL INVESTMENT....
but that's what i meant.............. i am going to invest some real money if you guys like it. yeah yeah yeah..... your previous point noted. ;)

texroadkill,
The key ingredient for you and my friend selling CDs was using a live performance to push them. If you can't get somebody to buy a CD after seeing you play live then you'll never get people to buy. I wouldn't expect much sales just off of a website unless you could get a lot of publicity somehow.
heh he. i don't play PERIOD. not at all!!! nothing. EVERYTHING on that site was sequenced. i did not play ANY of it. i CANNOT play. ....trying to learn....... but it will be a lifetime until i will have enough skill to play live.

all i do is write the music. so......................... maybe SOMEONE here likes it!? heh he................. anyone? hmm.........if no one here likes it................well i dunno. i think my new music will get more positive responses..... hopefully. heh he. i didn't think the music was THAT bad......... i mean, all those quotes on the web page were from real people across the world who seemed to like the music--i didn't make them up. but you guys of course are the "pros"........

anyone!?
 
actually, most of us hanging out here are "the amateurs", by virtue of the fact that we're trying to record music in our homes. that said, there are some seriously talented people hanging out on this board, many of whom have some real world experience.
 
I listened to "Embrace." Sounds fine...in fact, except for an incredibly hissy into, it sounds like it's 100% canned everything, so not many problems to iron out.

My 2 year old screamed at me to turn it off after about 6 minutes...I mean, he got VIOLENTLY PISSED OFF until I killed it. Not sure what that means; he's never done that before, lol.

Musically, it reminded me of something in the background of some epic Hollywood love scene...coupled with slow motion shots of little furry animals running through fields...or something.

Good Luck
 
Oh, and if you can't tell, it's just not really my thing musically, so don't take anything I said personally...I just cannot like a tune that has a pan flute and no guitars, lol.
 
I just cannot like a tune that has a pan flute and no guitars

LOL!
 
My 2 year old screamed at me to turn it off after about 6 minutes...I mean, he got VIOLENTLY PISSED OFF until I killed it. Not sure what that means; he's never done that before, lol.
heh he............ hmm.... okay, mental note: do not target an audience of two year olds.

.........oh well. looks like most people on this baord ain't really into this kind of music.

it's really weird...... my observation is that people that "aren't in the know" love my music, while people like you guys, or more academic types don't appreciate it nearly as much. girls seem to dig this stuff especially. but i've received many positive comments, including two singers/artists who have asked me to produce them (one sending a press kit....... and she's HOT!).... and a professional studio guitar player who has worked with Steve Vai asked me to collaborate with him on some similar music, but using distortion guitar. i even have another guitar producer asking to play for me on my next compositions............

.....i wasn't expecting so much negative, or neutral feedback really. but it's great i got some responses. i guess i'm just gonna have to work harder.

the thing is, i think most people who listened are looking for sound quality, and just can't get past how something sounds enough to really critique the music itself.... which is what i'm looking for.....

so, i guess i'll just have to hammer out a better "sounding" recording before i get some real feedback....

back i REALLY appreciate all who have responded nevertheless. THANK YOU! :cool:
 
Orpheus said:


the thing is, i think most people who listened are looking for sound quality, and just can't get past how something sounds enough to really critique the music itself.... which is what i'm looking for.....
Oh no, not at all, at least for me...if I wasn't clear, I absolutely hate the music itself, because I hear no heart, soul, or anything else that makes music human to me...but I'm a musician, and I prefer to hear a guy with an out of tune guitar singing off key, if it's coming from the gut, rather than perfectly in tune and syncronized melodic tripe that could be background music on the Weather Channel.

You're admittedly not a musician, so maybe I'm biased, lol. You're absolutely right...I'm sure you get plenty of positive feedback from girls, (I thought you were looking for opinions b/c you haven't gotten many??)...but if you're looking to have your ego stroked on this ambient sampled stuff, you're gonna' have better luck posting it somewhere that not housed by people who make music with their hands and their heart.

And I felt like I gave you "real feedback," so your post kinda' pissed me off, which is why I typed this rant.

You might check out some other peoples' tunes on this site if you want more "real feedback" and respond and try to help out another human being or something...maybe that'll work.
 
I am no music guru...

but I think that your chances of a lucrative music market are quite high. I am mostly into old r and b/new soul and classical. There is so much to be said about the moods envoked by listening to some of your compositions. I was buying a gift for my girlfriend from Bath and Body Works when I stumbled across music therapy CDs distributed by BBW. I listened to demos from two of the cds and I will eagerly step out and say that you have got em' beat hands down. The consistency in your music is what keeps me interested. Its not like you havv to wonder whether or not the next track is going to rock or bomb: CONISTENT...

Keep it up and I would heavily consider making bigger financial moves (possibly even pursuing a light weight career in film scoring or commercial jingles).

-Humble-
 
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