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a direct comparison between these monitors and the mackie hr824 left the mackies very well trounced

http://www.truthaudio.com/Truth_Audio_PDF.pdf

Other glowing, unbelievable reviews here:

http://www.truthaudio.com/reviews.htm

You can buy a pair with a hafler amp here:

http://www.macmidimusic.com

just scroll down the homepage


Has anyone heard them?. I was looking at the mackies for a quick second but too many people dislike them. THis might be the answer

The reviewer thought they were as good or better than the tannoy system 800s which are a very respectable setup. WHat beats me is how he can say the bass sounds bigger even though these are only 5 inch woofers(barefoot, you can help here), also why has nobody ever mentioned these before?

Forget ADAMS. I think this is it. For now though(till I read glowing reviews about other speakers.
 
well I just checked and macmidimusic has them without the hafler
for $729. I would like to buy them at the price (unless I find them for cheaper) but I dont want to pay $550 for an amp

Can anyone suggest a phat amp for around $300?(about 200 watts/channel into 4 ohms?
 
CJ,

> a direct comparison between these monitors and the mackie hr824 left the mackies very well trounced <

The Mackies are fine speakers. Don't believe everything you read in Recording, or any other magazine for that matter.

--Ethan
 
well, these speakers must be better for the reviewer to say that.

Many people think that the mackies are nice sounding pieces of crap
 
I've always thought the Mackies sounded really good. Have you guys actually heard them?
 
Jag,

> well, these speakers must be better for the reviewer to say that. <

That is a very naive statement!

> Many people think that the mackies are nice sounding pieces of crap <

Many people think a lot of things. Are there better speakers than the Mackie HR824? Probably, if you have enough money. But the real point is the Mackies are excellent speakers.

What you really need to do is go to a larger music store - one that has a number of speakers available for direct comparison, and listen to all of them for yourself.

--Ethan
 
Don't believe the reviewers for their word.

A friend of mine works at a big audio importing company. They spend lots and lots of dollars on advertising. Whenever a piece of equipment is reviewed in a magazine here, the article is send to them first, so they can approve and later the text. This version is printed. It's all about the money.

BTW, I never heard both speakers so what the hell do I know!
 
I agree, the Mackies are great. Don't believe the hype.

It's pretty much in fashion to trash everything that Mackie makes, but note that everyone compares new products to old Mackie products when they review them. This alone should tell you something. And also, go back and read the old Mackie reviews, and you'll see that they got glowing reviews when they came out too. Did their quality get worse over time? Are they suddenly not good when they were two years ago? Reviewers only like what's newest and greatest--that's why they're reviewers, and that's how they continue to make a living.
 
CyanJaguar said:
WHat beats me is how he can say the bass sounds bigger even though these are only 5 inch woofers(barefoot, you can help here)
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CJ, looks like you picked a great candidate!

The photo and specs make me almost 100% sure that the TA-1P/A is using the very dear to my heart Vifa P13WH woofer. This is one of the finest midbass drivers around - surpassed only by units costing 5 times as much.

The tweeter is almost certainly the Scan Speak D2905-9500. This is also an outstanding driver and quite a step above the units you find in Mackie, Event and the rest.

As far as why this guy says that the TA-1P's sounds "bigger" and the "bottom end... has more weight" than the HR824, I can't say for sure. Comparing two 5" drivers with one 8" having the same maximum linear excursion, the single 8" still moves about a 40% greater volume of air. My guess is that it has to do with the fact that ones perception of deep bass depends a great deal on how the bass's harmonics are presented. Psychoacoustically the harmonics in the upper bass and lower midrange reinforce the perception of the fundamentals in the deep bass. The Vifa 5" drivers in the TA-1P definitely have more linear upper bass and midrange reproduction than the Vifa 8" drivers used in the HR824's, perhaps giving this extra sense of "weight". In practice this has been my experience too, and is a part of the reason why I no longer use 8" midbass drivers.

I know nothing about this company and how well they design their systems. But a least from the drivers that they've selected, they fall more into line with my ideas about how a monitor should be designed. I'd say they're worth a listen.

barefoot
 
i couldn't mix on the mackies.

they're too forgiving, and that's not whati look for in a good monitor.

they sound great. im more comfertable using them in a mastering situation
 
hey Cyan

who's saying the Mackies are bad ... actually, when I read around I get the impression people think they're God's greatest gift to mankind eversince the invention of acoustics ...
I find hardly a bad opinion on the HR824s ... but I'd be interested to read some if you could provide me with links.
 
CJ,

Did you ever get a chance to listen to these monitors?

barefoot
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh the quest for a better monitor.


Im staying out of this one..... Im sticking with my NS10's untill my spare parts run out .........

Then, Im retiring from recording.:D

I hear candlemaking is a nice hobby.
 
I'm with Vox on that one. They will have to pry my NS10M's from my cold, dead hands.

There is a reason that 95% of all recorded music is monitored through them at some stage in the mix.
 
Yeah and that reason is that they are usually stuck to their stands via a mix of chewing gum, semen, rotten beer, and burger grease....

They figure, that they will just keep them instead of prying them off the stands....:D:D:D


Just kidding... I love 'em
 
barefoot,

no. I have not listened yet. With the amount of info I am hearing from my ns10ms though I think it might be a better idea to spend to money on say a distressor or something.
 
I guess it's an old debate, but one that I think many pros come down on the wrong side of.

Monitors are the ears to your music and I personally think they should be as close to transparent as possible. Using monitors which color your sound in a particular way, whether it's for the sake of translatability or not, is a recipe for sameness.

I'd like to here these monitors, though I already have a fairly good idea of what they sound like since I've designed and built similar ones myself - in other words they have a good chance of being much more accurate than the majority of monitors.

barefoot
 
I hate to say it, but "sameness" is a recipe for success in the music industry. How many albums have you ever heard that were commercially successful/viable that sounded like they had been mixed in a completely new or different way? How many succesful commercial mixes have you heard that didn't translate well on NS10s? Not that I ascribe to conformity, but no one is going to become succesful by pushing an original aural "vision" on a record industry that has already made up its mind.
 
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