RAMIRAD REMIX of Players' Worktime

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Hi Folks,
I took note of all suggestions but Rami's idea seemed like fun so I gave precedence to his vision whilst addressing others:

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4410702&q=hi

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the lyrics are below. I took time to work out Terry’s lyric from the original poem. Thanks for the kind words. The drums might be clearer now.
BB,
Ta it is intentionally musically low key to support the narrative.
Ido,
Thanks mate – let me know if this RAD RAMI mix holds true or should be mellowed.
RAMI,
I gave your ideas a burl. The bass didn’t sit well in the centre & caused merry hell with the guitars so rhythm central is on the extremities. I added some progressively increased flanging to the flute.

LYRICS:
The Economy’s just another stall In the Government’s laisse faire – 1st line in the original poem.

Well we got nowhere with laisse faire before
But there’s talk of legislation now to dispossess the poor.
Let’s free up the economy the unions think it’s theirs,
Deregulate, don’t compensate, You can’t profit from care.
Let’s have a Soma* holiday, Around TV sets we’re curled,
Bludgeoned by our budgets, Our escape’s another world.
When they gave us total freedom, We became their slaves.
Conned by corporate cowboys, From the cradle to the grave.
& there’s talk of legislation, To outlaw the right to dtrike,
Free up the economy, Give production a big hike.
Farming barons still cry poormouth, Business slides away off shore,
Tell the people on the pension, It’s not easy anymore.
Conditions are a hassle, Arbitration is a drag,
Devolution means division, & a lower price tag.
So, why buy when you can rent it,
You need the dining with the lounge to compliment it.
Swell your profits & cut your loses,
Take all the bets & put ‘em on the tosses.
The mortgage belt is bleating, Spending more than it can earn.
See tall poppies on the TV, Asset strip us turn by turn.
The natures future’s funded, By corporate sleight of hand,
& the Q.C.’s cue like vultures, To gorge at this last stand.

* The oblivion drug of the masses in Huxley’s A Brave New World
 
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rayc said:
Hi Folks,
I took note of all suggestions but Rami's idea seemed like fun so I gave precedence to his vision
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Jesus man...I didn't think you'd actually listen to me.... :eek:

I trust your judgement most of the time...But I'll make an exception when you trust mine!!!!


Hehe...seriously though....I'll listen in a few minutes. If it doesn't work, change it at will, I just threw out an idea and won't be one bit insulted if you, or other people, don't find it works...I just threw out an idea and I'm flattered as hell that you even tried it. :) :cool:
 
Shit man..I got to be honest...I was trying NOT to like it, just because it was my idea...But I think it works....One thing for sure....I can hear every word in the lyrics. I'm pleasantly surprised by my stupidity. :D

I fucking love that flute!!!!
 
Interesting effect - kind of like a 60's song, Beatles or someone like that.

The vocals continue to be excellent where they sit now. The bass + drums are merging well and the guitar holds down its spot nicely.

Just personal taste - I prefer the more "centered" mix. I find the panning a bit too hard to either side though. I wonder if bringing it in a bit would sound any better though....If I remember on these types of mixes, you used to get some of the drums on the "other" side. :confused:

Other than the panning preferences, the clarity and balance is excellent.....

:D :) :D :)
 
Cool vibe...sort of reminds me of the Pretenders.
My only real nit is the vocals...they are a bit quiet compared to the guitar. Bring them up a tad...just so I can understand them easier. The bass might be able to come up some, but maybe if you drop the guitar down a few db, then make the whole song louder, it would be more even.

All small nits, and may be specific to my system. I'm used to listening to harder stuff, which is compressed more, so take it all for what it's worth...about $2.37 right now.... :D

Cool song though, man.
 
Nice man, good groove. I like the restraint there, I couldn't play the same rhythms for too long without adding 5 extra lead guitars or riffs... guess I mean I respect that. More mature songwriting :) Anyway, the vocals are great, really a throwback to older rock. I have no opinion on the panning, my system just doesn't seem to handle panning very well because I can't tell the difference. The flute is great, I'd say add more, but I kinda like how it's a suprise ending that you have to wait for. Well mix sounds good on my system, my only nit... and a small one is that the thing fades out way too fast. Draw that out a bit more.
Good stuff
 
I listened to the second link you posted. I have not listened to the one in the first post.

Ray, I love that intro guitar, but it seems a bit too bright to my ears and the vocals are getting walked on.

I love the way you start out with the drums nice and layed back...but at around 00:51, I kept waiting for them to start gradually coming up in the mix a bit and increase in intensity for dramatic effect, then gradually going back down....1:35 is really cool drum change and that would sound great coming up even more there.

The flute is a nice added flavour too. The pauses in the axe could be a bit more decisive....how do I express this...it seems you are using abruptness with the axe playing, beginning at 3:49 to make a statement in the outro, so a bit more expressiveness(confidence) in the execution of that would be more of a statement. Did I say that right? :D

I bet you can't wait for me to post some of my recording non-skills to have a shot at.... :eek: :D :D :D ;)
 
Around 4:12 there's some garble noise - maybe fade just before that.....

Getting more used to the split between guitars and drums/bass - ;)

Drums sound louder, rounder, generally better on this mix. I think that increase in balance makes the split better sounding.....

:D :) :D :)
 
I really like it. The Vox are little hard to understand. Maybe Dogman's idea of turning down the guitar a little and raising the overall will be good. Or maybe just boost the vox. :)

But the song is sounding very different from what I remember. And good different. The guitar playing and staying on time is impressive. I couldn't do that. Hence, the generous use of verb on many of my mixes. :)

The mix is sounding very good.

By the way, the vox are only hard to understand in the first couple of lines of the verse 1. The rest of the time, they're alright if one pays attention.

:)

Listened to both by the way. :) Like both.

Concur with Ido about the noise towards the end. :)
 
true-eurt,
I appreciate your specifics & will attempt to address them. It's great not to have generalizations. I agree about the abrupt guitar part, that wass me trying to get Terry to stop playing as we were recording in tandem. I like the of using drum dynamics for emphasis & drama. TA.
ido1957,
That garbled spot is where some one bumped the PA & the spring reverb erupted. I had used that as the end point in previous posts but when the outro was to be extended I tried it to see if anyone would notice &, as I suspected, you did. I think I'm going to use 2 versions of this song the rami mix & a centred one. I really, really like the rami version but it causes some grief in balance terms. I'll A - B for a final decision about which should have precedence - thanks heaps.
bigbubba,
I'll tweak the 1st few lines - seems a common prob for my recordngs. I'll edit down to a fade that wipes the noise. Thanks!
I'll post tonight my time.
THANKS FOLKS.
OK, DONE I THINK:
back to a centred mix for the moment with your suggestions applied try here:
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4410702&q=hi
 
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Bumping up ... reel davemania has done some excellent bombardment & I was sinking given how entertaining his threads are so I've resorted to self promotion.
Oh,
The song - I'll try to do a littl tambourine work but am having difficulty working out where as the "structure" (ha ha ha ) doesn't offer more than one break.
 
Hey Ray, I really like that main graphic you have on your page, the colored dinosaurs or whatever. :cool: Anyway, nice, did you bring the vocals up a bit, sounds good and clear on my stereo system. Really, I have nothing to add about the mix now, sounds good. Well maybe... as much as I like the flute, it may be a tad tad bit loud in the mix when compared to the vox. Ending volume is still faded a bit quick to me, but maybe that's just my taste. Good work here, good song. Cheers :)
 
Snakedoggy,
The graphic is a combination of illustrations I did for a) a band I was in during the mid 80's - a power pop outfit called The Naked Igwanaz - hence the nude figures with a lizard head & b) & of THE pygmy of Pygmy Beat.
I'll reduce a little of the effect (flanger) on the flute & begin the fade out a bit sooner so that it is more gradual. I'll post it in a new thread with the A - B comparison of the RAD RAMI stereo image & the current one.
Thanks for your generous comments.
 
This latest mix sounds good.

It sounds somewhat centered but also sounds like it is either slightly panned (+-5%) or echo/reverb is giving it that L/R stereo effect.

The mix seems pretty good level-wise between the instruments and the vocals also.

I'll wait for the A-B version too......

:) :D :) :D
 
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