Quick Guitar EQ Help

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JoeyPazera said:
ok, i see waht yall are saying and ill upload a track later. But, the guitars dont stick out enough, they are just fuzz and shit. but they arent like coming out of the amp so i know it can get better. but when i try to EQ one track then the other, when i put them back together its total shit. so i dont know how to Eq them so they will work together...
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Try using alot less distortion. I ususally go for around 40-50% distortion and I record heavy rock metal stuff.

Try layering another guitar part (or 2) of very light distortion and belnd in with the disorted guitar. This way you will get meatiness plus clarity.

Eck
 
JoeyPazera said:
oh and the reason your thinking its solid state probably is because hes using that giant Boss effects processor and that tends to come out a little digital sounding.
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The big gold one? (or black one) GT6 or GT8?
I used that and it isnt the best but I can get a nice undigital sounding distortion using the metal master distortion and carefull EQ on the patch and 50% distortion. It isnt the clearest distortion recording I get but that could be from my Marshal JCM2000 DSL50 thats 3 years old. :(

Eck
 
JoeyPazera said:
Heres the clip
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=6992
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IMO that guitar tone starting around 2:27 is totally unsalvageable. way-way too much top end that is basically white noise... and don't by into the just turn the gain down thing. I record a lot of high gain and that's just bullshit. but managing the gain is paramount.

using a pair of isolating phones

1. position the mic for the best tone. a very good spot is about 3-1/4 inches out and pointed at the Cone Dust Cover junction. don't overlook adjusting the mic by very small amounts (left-right, in-out) moving the the mic in-out will make significant differences in the treble harshness and fullness. side-to-side will basically EQ the top and bottom. finding the right spot will make the difference between a good tone and a great tone... assuming the amp is putting out quality. don't go by what you hear in the room. go by what you hear in the phones.

2. now start dialing the amp to improve the tone... repeat 1 and 2 over and over

there's two things to learn here Dialing the Amp and Positioning the Mic
 
Sonixx said:
IMO that guitar tone starting around 2:27 is totally unsalvageable. way-way too much top end that is basically white noise... and don't by into the just turn the gain down thing. I record a lot of high gain and that's just bullshit.
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Umm... no? He's got too much gain which is what's creating the white noise. That, on top of the mic being too close to the center of the cone, and the treble being a little high, as well as the amp being not very loud, results in mushy trebley fizzy butt tone. Turn the gain down (not like to "3", but not at "10 either), turn the volume up, turn the treble down a tad, turn the mids up, and move the mic away from the center of the cone a bit, and you should be in a much better place.
 
Sounds like youve got a dodgy cable somewhere in your chain or a dodgy pre amp, as I can hear crackling at times.
I get this with my Boss BR1180 8 track recorder and its becuase the pre amps are fekin shite!

I think your recorded guitars sound pretty nice. Some EQ could really make these tracks work in a mix.

I cant hear any high end fizz on the right guitar. Sounds clean and nice.

Good stuff.

Eck
 
steve.h said:
Umm... no? He's got too much gain which is what's creating the white noise. That, on top of the mic being too close to the center of the cone, and the treble being a little high, as well as the amp being not very loud, results in mushy trebley fizzy butt tone. Turn the gain down (not like to "3", but not at "10 either), turn the volume up, turn the treble down a tad, turn the mids up, and move the mic away from the center of the cone a bit, and you should be in a much better place.
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I agree... but I didn't imply that gain didn't matter... to the contrary...

Often "reduce the gain" is put out as a panacea for all sort of bad tracking and amp tone problems... espcially the "my tone is thin" comment.
 
JoeyPazera said:
does it help ot get the amp off the floor. Its a 120 watt tube crate amp combo.
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Getting the amp off the floor may help alot but I'd try another amp. Use less distortion than you think you need for recording.
 
Sonixx said:
I agree... but I didn't imply that gain didn't matter... to the contrary...

Often "reduce the gain" is put out as a panacea for all sort of bad tracking and amp tone problems... espcially the "my tone is thin" comment.
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A fair point. In this specific case, I've owned & recorded a solid-state 2x12 crate amp and recognized the tone: thus, I felt it was important to re-state my position that the gain was too high (among other problems). :)
 
so when your talking about gain, you mean on the amp or on the mixer? Cause the gain on the distortion he uses is insanly high. I really had the gain quite low on the condenser but on the SM57 i had the gain up about 65%. And i also think im gonna get the amp off the floor and onto a stool or something, cause it has quite a few bassy overtones.
 
JoeyPazera said:
so when your talking about gain, you mean on the amp or on the mixer? Cause the gain on the distortion he uses is insanly high. I really had the gain quite low on the condenser but on the SM57 i had the gain up about 65%. And i also think im gonna get the amp off the floor and onto a stool or something, cause it has quite a few bassy overtones.
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I mean the preamp gain (either the pedal if he's using one or the amp's gain). Could you post the model number of the amp? It'd make it easier to give you some general advice regarding settings :)
 
Sonixx said:
I record a lot of high gain and that's just bullshit. but managing the gain is paramount.
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Apparently his amp doesn't go to 11, because clearly this track doesn't have ENOUGH DISTORTION

In all seriousness, too much gain can definitely make for a thinner sound... there's a happy medium - or so everyone but the one guy in this thread seems to think. My bro's Fender Blues Deluxe sounds great with the gain around 4-5, but live it bumps up to 9-10 out of 12 to get the same sound.

Why? Whoooo knoooows...

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Sorry... work is rather boring - can't wait to get outta here. I enjoy the metal on occassion.
 
sorry no model number, its not mine and they dont make em anymore, its gotta be 5 -6 years old. its 120 watt crate amp with no built in effects besides a distorion channel.
 
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