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Is that Tascam HD recorder really the bomb? I want to buy one.
 
sonus-my-man, what the h#ll is wrong with you!!??
Take your butt rite over to a Sammy's,musiciansfriend,sweetwater,guitar center or Manny's Music and go get a HD24!!!!! Hurry up so's I can bug the hell outta' you asking for advice!!!!
Forget the Tascam, HD24 bayyyy-beeeee!!!!!
 
i don't know. for us HOMErecorders, they all do the 24 bit/24 track thing. what we look at should be which has the best A/D, then D/A. i can't tell if sonusman is just picking on us as there is a current HD24 fad. i don't know which one is better, but i would take anyone handed to me on the street. :)
 
If i had the Tascam i would sell it and buy two HD24's hehehehe.....
 
You know, I won't comment on the fact that this thread is in the WRONG FORUM, and you guys are acting as "enablers" by responding to it at all. Or to the fact that it is a stupid fucking question in the first place. AND to the fact that I don't ask questions around here usually, just answer them...:)

All that aside, I would probably but the Tascam unit. There are some good reasons. You guys so far have only thought about the bottom line (dollars and cents) and haven't thought at ALL about a few other things.

1 - The Tascam unit requires NO computer to do direct editing to the wave form. Hook up a keyboard, mouse, and monitor to this box and away you go with editing.

2 = Tascam customer support HAS to be better than Alesis. Give Alesis customer support a call sometime! I am sure that once you get past the BUSY SIGNAL, that you will wait at least 30 minutes if not much more to actually talk to someone.

Okay, gonna try the email tech support route? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....man that is funny!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>...my gut it hurting from all the laughing!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA...boy you are funny!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It took them fully a WEEK to return an email to me concerning a file transfer issue on the HD24. Meshuggah figured it out for me after working on the problem for 10 minutes. I have sent more emails asking if they have an answer yet (even though I already know what the problem is...) and have recieved NOTHING from them.

I predicted this severe drop in Alesis tech support long ago with Numark bought the company. I remember Mr. Companyguy (aka Mike Nicollette) coming on here claiming that it would NOT be so....sorry Mike, I cannot believe you would stoop so low on a home recording BBS to say some of the things you said about Alesis...you KNOW it was a fucked up company in every way!!! Thus, the bankruptcy.....doesn't take a genius to figure THAT out....). I also predicted that there repair support would go to hell. Tell you what, go to your local Alesis repair shop and ask how long it would take to get some replacement parts for ANY of their products. The studio I work at had a BRC sitting in the local shop for ONE MONTH, and they wound up installing a Play buttom from ANOTHER MACHINE just to make it work for now because they CANNOT get Alesis parts right now.

Just wait until you HD24 has some problems that requires either tech support, or going into the shop for repair. You are going to be out of the recording biz for some time while you wait for that. Don't think the unit WILL break down? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...oh boy.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>.....you are gullable sort aren't you....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>.....Wait until that box starts to go!!!!! You are going to be pissed (another sonusman prediction!)

Tascam has an EXCELLENT record of tech support, and they keep parts readily available to their authorized repair shops too!

What do you expect when you get a damn 24 track recorder for $2000? Hello people, this is reality we live in, and reality says that for a company to make a $2000 box like that, they are going to cut some severe corners in doing so. If you think of your HD24 as a dispensible object (meaning to be thrown away when it breaks) you will be far less disappointed.

Now imagine you are in my situation. You want to actually run a studio using whatever HD recorder you buy. Let's see, if my HD 24 is out of commision for one month awaiting repair, and I would normally book let's say even 10 full days in that month, and at $400 a day, that would be $4000 LOST!!! So, $2000 for the HD24, and $4000 lost in studio bookings because it doesn't work. $6000!!!! How much for the Tascam unit did you guys say? $4000? I'll take it!

Think VERY carefully before you try to argue this. Some of you are just going to read over this post quickly and think you understand where I am coming from, then post some garbage that is not relavent to WHAT I am talking about, then I am going to have to flame you for being an idiot. Save yourself the hassle and think about what you are going to write. I take particular pride in Alesis bashing, and look forward to doing so every chance I get. I have even more fun bashing people that defend Alesis based solely on dollars and cents. There is much more to consider when buying products.

I will tell you the truth, I like how the HD24 sounds. The studio I work at has one, and it was a very major improvement in sound quality. But now we need to buy TWO to cover our ass, because I KNOW one of them is going to break and we will be fucked getting it repaired even somewhat quickly (on most studio equipment, 1 week is the cut off for "quickly"...anything longer than that and you can potentially lose money in billable hours, or from reduced capabilities of the studio....you could lose a lot of FUTURE business too!!!!). This is typical Alesis crap. Hype a product to be the "end all" of everything, then don't support it.

Sorry, out of MY pocket no money will flow to Alesis. They have done nothing but ignore polite attempts to get answers and the TRUTH about problems with certain pieces of gear over the years, and that has my very frustrated. That company was a shame before Numark bought them, and it would appear that they are even worse now. It is really bad when you cannot get a simple part for a $1500 controller, or a question answered about transferring tracks to/from a unit (don't get me started about all the problems with the ADAT PCR card....I am STILL contemplating a class action lawsuit against them for that card...go back to last summer and you should find some threads in here concerning that PunkCrapReek piece of shit they are STILL selling, even though it is NOT stable by any means....did you know that they said in their initial adverts that the card will support S/PDIF? LOL.....)

You see, you guys ONLY think with your pocket book, and never consider what will happen down the road. To you, the HD24 is half the price, and that is the only thing you can fixate on. You justify it by quoting "features" that are not even that big of a deal (another Alesis marketing ploy....don't build a solid box, but sell em' on the "features" nobody else has...or at least make em' THINK we are the only ones...rename a capability like burning a data disk with 24 bit files...call it CD24....LOL...people fell for that shit....I cannot believe it...). Since most of you never take the time to really check out the track record of the company, you dont' KNOW their track record and just buy because of the hype. You only further the bad track record because a company like Alesis has never felt it has to change how they design/support products in certain markets because the people in that market don't know shit ! They never get to compare, and Alesis figures as long as they get you with a few purchases before you figure out that they suck ass, well, there is a new sucka born every second...pay the bills now.

A company like Tascam on the other hand has been VERY involved at the highest level of professional audio for many many years. They are a company that prides itself on making VERY dependable products and they support them well. Usually, Tascam products come with MORE features than their competitors, and arent' really that much more expesive. But I can tell you, I have never been to a studio that was having problems with ANY of their Tascam gear! Their shit works, and it stays working, and the few times I have heard of a Tascam piece going into the shop, the repair time was short and was all that expensive. Buy an ADAT sometime and have to repair headstacks!!! LOL.....You can buy a good used car for what that costs!

So, believe what you want about "bang for the buck". My money is on Tascam to survive. I predict Alesis going to exclusively licencing their technology and not manufacturing stuff within the next 4 to 5 years, and you can bet there will be NO legacy tech support when that happens.

Suckas!!!

Ed
 
So whats the solution then?

even the mx2424has had its share of dramas go to the tascam user group site and see the posts left there about some software upgrade they have been waiting forever to get alot of them are sick to death of it as well

I will say tascam customer service out where i am in australia is good i cant speak for elsewhere

mx2424 contd

While this machine has had lots bad said about it in its early stages its also had lots of good stuff said about it more recently buying any machine is a dam risk so what the fix here sinse pc isnt a 24/7 answer and we cant then trust alesis what do we do? go back to da 88,s da 98,s ??

all we have is the dodgy reviews at best and then other users who have the machines if there was some reliable way of finding out what to get minus all the drams of research iam sure we would all be taking that very path while iam no expert to argue on any audio related topic as iam a beginner i still feel there is so little real info out there to help us all that at the best of times most of us are just stabbing in the dark and hoping our dollars our dollars dont go to waste anyone with a better idea please post it
 
The fact that the tascam is twice the price is an issue, most of us already own a console and outboard processing that the DM24 offers exept without all the bullshit mapping and shift functions ahhh!!

Nice of you to take the time to write such a longwinded thread sonus and we should have known that you dont need questions answered and that you know it all :), but keep in mind that a repair on the HD24 would be much more straightforward than a repair on the DM24 console eeewww, after the warranty runs out its the customer support of your local that matters wether it be Tascam or Alesis (where i am the Alesis support is better than Tascam!).

Anyways what makes you think the Tascam will be more reliable?
 
who needs customer support when you've got no moving parts

This is a good point, but then again a computer has no moving parts....things still go wrong.

This is why i like the HD24 over the Mackie HDR24 and the Tascam DM-24 MX-2424 its simple and comes from the same makers as the ADAT,well their recording department anyways.
No doubt some people hate the ADATS but its my next chioce after HD

The MX-2424 is a great product But the HD24's ability to take 2 of any removeable hard drives of any size is to good to be true for me.

As for the Mackie.... :D:D

In the end we all have different needs and we make our choices on that.
 
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As in the words of Kingnothing:

This is rich!

I don't know why I bother....:rolleyes:

Ed
 
I don't know, man, but this thread ain't much of an endorsement of Alesis users. :D
 
I am very concerned with what Alesis currently has to offer it's customers. Since the new owner(Let's call him JACK) from Numark bought out Alesis, major changes have tooken place. In the past Alesis manufactured all high end products in an effort of ensuring high quality and customer service. That is the first thing that was changed by JACK. His decision to shift production to low skilled factories in CHINA will only hurt the company and it's customers. Okay let's say I buy an Alesis unit which ends up being defective. Under JACK's plan I would send the unit to a repair center,
which is fine but....
Keep in mind that these repair shops are only interested in making money!! In the past Alesis' In-house repairs served as a tool to identify design and manufacturing defects and once again
it was all in an effort of providing a high level of customer service! The information gained through in-house repairs also assisted in future designs of products. As you can tell Mr. JACK simply would like to have your money! I would be very cautious with supporting MR. JACK's cause!!!

Just giving you my opinion and soemthing to think about...
 
So slutous man, what exactly are you trying to say?

Get a life dipshit.
 
You would envy my life. ;)

A friend of mine just sent this to me. I don't know who the author is, but it is part of his signature on another BBS. My bad if he minds that I use it here, but it seems appropriate enough to the above comment.

"Anonymity breeds vandalism and antisocial manners without consequence. Combine it with complete isolation from physical contact and you have a very inhuman and messy social interaction situation."

I find it amazing that a guy with less than a few dozen posts could ever consider calling me a dipshit. I have to assume that you are in need of therapy dude. And usually those telling others to "get a life" need one of their own. But hey, what do I know, being the dipshit here eh? LOL As Kingnothing said in another post, "This is rich". (I seem to use that line a lot lately.....it really says it all so many times....)

Come now folks. When you call sonuman (no secret, my name is Ed Rei....) at least have the balls to tell me who you are.

Ed
 
Ed,

I hate it that you're getting dissed. Is this a feeding frenzy, or what?.

Truth be known, Ed, you were one of the first gentle souls on this forum to come to my rescue when I was in trouble. You provided timely and accurate information that enabled me to get out of a rut. I was then, and still am, grateful for your help, as many, many other people are, I am sure.
It is a shame that, by virtue of the fact that you are among the most-experienced and knowledgeable subscribers to this forum, there aren't more of us who are able to help you.

I apologize for those who are yet unaware of your benificence, but will surely come to know it if they stick around. Try not to be discouraged by their ignorance.
 
Complete this sentence for me please: Ed Rei....?

Forgive my ignorance i am young and across the pacific, should i be saying "WERE NOT WORTHY" ?

I too have learned "respect"
 
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