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anotherloser318
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I do not have any direct outs on my mixer and only 2 sets of aux sends, when i track my drums i would like my drum tracks to be seperate, can i run my send from my inserts to the inputs of my DAW?
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The Green Hornet
New member
Yo 31B:
If you're using a drum machine, [which I don't know for sure] can't you send the drums directly to you DAW? [I don't know what that is either.]
Most DAW's have ins and outs. As the "Bear" might say, "...What goes in must come out...."
Green Hornet
PS Why not jab in the plugs and try it and see what happens?
If you're using a drum machine, [which I don't know for sure] can't you send the drums directly to you DAW? [I don't know what that is either.]
Most DAW's have ins and outs. As the "Bear" might say, "...What goes in must come out...."
Green Hornet
PS Why not jab in the plugs and try it and see what happens?
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Bulls Hit
Well-known member
Yep, you can use your inserts for that purpose
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
You can absolutly use inserts as direct channel outputs. Be advised that when you do this, you won't have any EQ control or fader control as the insert is between the trim control and the EQ/fader. I personally see this as a good thing.
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anotherloser318
New member
question on my inserts
Before i wen ta head and read the forum i gave it a try and used them as sends, i like being able to bypass the eq and the mixer faders, only gives me one set to work with. But thanks anyway guys
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Before i wen ta head and read the forum i gave it a try and used them as sends, i like being able to bypass the eq and the mixer faders, only gives me one set to work with. But thanks anyway guys
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RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Hello TR..fitz here. Hey, I've got a studiomaster 20/8/2 with no direct outs either. But it does have inserts. My mixer isn't set up right now to test my question, but does a trim control affect the insert. Seems like it would. Reason I ask, is I would like to use my inserts as direct outs, but I use MSR 16's tape decks, and they have no input controls, so if the trim's don't work, I'd have no control to the deck, correct?
fitZ
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manning1
Banned
a trick
some inserts dont give you enough gain. a solution.
get a clean line mixer . take the insert to the line mixer , any channel, and use the line mixer to control the level going to the
multitrack. by the way there used to be a fosrex patch bay that would let you tap off an insert on a mixer and STILL return the signal to the mixer for sending elsewhere.
some inserts dont give you enough gain. a solution.
get a clean line mixer . take the insert to the line mixer , any channel, and use the line mixer to control the level going to the
multitrack. by the way there used to be a fosrex patch bay that would let you tap off an insert on a mixer and STILL return the signal to the mixer for sending elsewhere.
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Hey, thats pretty cool. Never thought of that. Thanks manning. I already have a custom patch bay for inserts(only 4) so I might be able to do that. Hmmm, great idea. Yea, great idea indeed! Thats what I dig about this bbs.
fitZ
fitZ
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
Hey Fitz. Yeah the trim control is the only functioning control when you grab signal via the insert.
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Thanks track!(sorry track,I forgot your real name
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Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
It's Mike.
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Ok Mike, you don't hang at the Building forum much so I don't see your posts often. I have just assembled my console and was checking around the bbs for new info I can use. I'll definitely use this one. First new trick I've learned in a long time cause my studio has been torn down for 7 months. Well, Happy New Year to you.
Rick
Rick
Velvet Elvis
Ahh humma humma humma
It would make sense Fitz that if you are going to set it up this way permanently, that you would use a patch bay set up with a mult out...
that way your insert sends to the bay... and returns automatically (normalled to return), but you can take a mult off the insert to the tape deck.
You could then patch any channel (or sub group that had an insert) to any track on your deck... all at the patch bay.
Just use the trim to control the signal to tape.
Velvet Elvis
that way your insert sends to the bay... and returns automatically (normalled to return), but you can take a mult off the insert to the tape deck.
You could then patch any channel (or sub group that had an insert) to any track on your deck... all at the patch bay.
Just use the trim to control the signal to tape.
Velvet Elvis
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Holy moly....ok, could you fill me in on "mult"? I'm kinda hazy on that one VE.
BTW, thanks man. Do 'preciate it mucho.
fitZ
BTW, thanks man. Do 'preciate it mucho.
fitZ
Velvet Elvis
Ahh humma humma humma
Fitz...
Mult is just a quick way to type multiple outs... if your patch bay supports it, you can run the insert through a normalized patch bay (so that the signal returns to the board and doesn't get interrupted)... but then when you "patch" into the top row of the patch bay, it will "steal" the signal from the insert, but STILL allow it to also return to the board.
So in essence you get signal back to the board as you always did... but you ALSO get signal out of the top row of the patch bay, which then could be patched over to the input of the tape deck.
Its a pretty cool way to do it if you don't have direct outs.
The only time the signal doesn't go back to the board is if you plug something into the bottom row of the front side of the patch bay.
Velvet Elvis
Mult is just a quick way to type multiple outs... if your patch bay supports it, you can run the insert through a normalized patch bay (so that the signal returns to the board and doesn't get interrupted)... but then when you "patch" into the top row of the patch bay, it will "steal" the signal from the insert, but STILL allow it to also return to the board.
So in essence you get signal back to the board as you always did... but you ALSO get signal out of the top row of the patch bay, which then could be patched over to the input of the tape deck.
Its a pretty cool way to do it if you don't have direct outs.
The only time the signal doesn't go back to the board is if you plug something into the bottom row of the front side of the patch bay.
Velvet Elvis
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manning1
Banned
great tip velvet
v you said it netter than me.
might i also add if we look at this way of doing things
mic preamp direct out/insert >>>>patchbay>>>patchbay send to a tape track (ie : connect your mixer direct outs/inserts AND your multitrack or daw multiinputs to the patchbay with say fostex rca cables) if you wanted to add more gain to the mixer mic head amp insert out you could build a buffer amplifier out of
op amps to boost the signal going to the multitrack input.
i had to do this once because a mixer preamp insert was a reference of -10 and the multitrack was +4dbm. i belive people like sescom and others have -10 to +4 little boxes to do this.
i mention this because some people have a real problem hooking up say a mackie vlz inserts to a pro +4dbm sound card or 2 inch multitrack. you could put a little level control in your op amp circuit rather like a line mixer to get very precise levels going to the
multitrack. the way detailed above will let you send using a patch bay any mixer insert to any multitrack input or track !!
v you said it netter than me.
might i also add if we look at this way of doing things
mic preamp direct out/insert >>>>patchbay>>>patchbay send to a tape track (ie : connect your mixer direct outs/inserts AND your multitrack or daw multiinputs to the patchbay with say fostex rca cables) if you wanted to add more gain to the mixer mic head amp insert out you could build a buffer amplifier out of
op amps to boost the signal going to the multitrack input.
i had to do this once because a mixer preamp insert was a reference of -10 and the multitrack was +4dbm. i belive people like sescom and others have -10 to +4 little boxes to do this.
i mention this because some people have a real problem hooking up say a mackie vlz inserts to a pro +4dbm sound card or 2 inch multitrack. you could put a little level control in your op amp circuit rather like a line mixer to get very precise levels going to the
multitrack. the way detailed above will let you send using a patch bay any mixer insert to any multitrack input or track !!