question about fender Pro Junior...

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hello everyone,

here's one that i would bet is as stupid as they come, but what the heck..

to the users out there, and other ppl that might now, if u push a pro junior to the max, can you get it to overdrive?

i have an hotrod deluxe and there's no way im getting it to the max in my apartment, so im thinking, recording wise, might as well max a pro junior, than have an hotrod deluxe with the volume knob on 2 all the time :/

also,
any giging experience with the pro junior?
is it gig worthy? i know its one of most prefered to record, but im scared it wont project decently in a large/medium room..


tanx in advance!

diogo
 
Yes, and it will overdrive in a very nice way.

*BUT*

There is no way you will get a ProJunior to overdrive in an apartment without getting pissed off neighbors and/or a visit from the landlord/police.
 
True and true.


But you don't have to turn it all the way up for it to start breaking up. It happens at about 3. I just sold mine I had for over 10 years. It was one of the very first ones made and it was a great little amp.

H2H
 
Hard2Hear said:
True and true.


But you don't have to turn it all the way up for it to start breaking up. It happens at about 3. I just sold mine I had for over 10 years. It was one of the very first ones made and it was a great little amp.

H2H
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With a LesPaul or other humbucker guitar, it will start breaking up much sooner, but at 3 it is still very loud for typical apartment use, you disagree? :)
 
no, not at all. It's pretty loud as soon as it starts making a sound. The knobs, at least on my tweed version, go to 12. and a humbucher starts breaking up at 3, a strat a little later. But it's loud on 1 for sure.

H2H
 
hey Outlaws,

tanx a lot! i think the hotrod might be overkill for recording, and even live - it has prooven to be..when i gig with a couple of friends that support me once in a while, the hotrod eats their signal literally.

good to know..im used to the overdrive knobs of the hotrod so, kind of lost the sense of how amps work. wait..i never had any other amp lol

ok..how would u rate it live?

my signal has 8 stomps now (rat II, shredmaster, boss HM2, boss RRV10, Ibanez DE7, small clone, small stone, mxr dyna comp)...gettin more complex by the day..im also afraid it wont take that kind of signal with enough definition...

all of this crap is coming from a fender jazzmaster, and a newly aquired squier cyclone

think of red house painters, slowdive, mbv, mogwai...

tanx!
 
hey Hard2Hear,

tanx!
pretty loud from the moment u turn it on..hummm..im not sure if thats good! im trying to go down on volume...on the hotrod i can swing a volume knob on 2 most of the time....i figure that on the pro junior it would more or less the same than having it on 4 or 5...am i totally wrong?

pickups...

2 single coils - jazzmaster

1 single coil and 1 humbucker - cylclone
 
Live, I changed my mind, the ZVex won't work.


If you need a tube overdrive sound, you won't get it from powertube distortion if you also need a clean sound.

Ifs kind of either or.

Even those half stack Marshalls are mainly preamp distortion if they are channel changers.
 
diogo said:
hey Hard2Hear,

tanx!
pretty loud from the moment u turn it on..hummm..im not sure if thats good! im trying to go down on volume...on the hotrod i can swing a volume knob on 2 most of the time....i figure that on the pro junior it would more or less the same than having it on 4 or 5...am i totally wrong?

pickups...

2 single coils - jazzmaster

1 single coil and 1 humbucker - cylclone
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Yes, the HotRod would have more 'headroom'. Volume wise, its isn't much difference with tube amps.
 
Outlaws said:
As much as I hate those little micro amps from ZVex...the Nano head at .5 watts might be more up your alley, diogo.
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damn Outlaws lol

reading this depressed the shit out of me man lol
 
Outlaws said:
If you need a tube overdrive sound, you won't get it from powertube distortion if you also need a clean sound.

Ifs kind of either or.

Even those half stack Marshalls are mainly preamp distortion if they are channel changers.
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sorry Outlaws..im not sure if i follow this last bit..bare with me please..

are you saying i cant get a clean sound if the tubes are hot from the overdrive?
 
diogo said:
sorry Outlaws..im not sure if i follow this last bit..bare with me please..

are you saying i cant get a clean sound if the tubes are hot from the overdrive?
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Ummm....hot?


I am saying that if you turn the amp up so loud that it is "maxed out" to get that overdrive sound you were refering to originally, then that means the powertubes (the big ones) are being saturated and distorting much like the smaller ones (preamp tubes).

Its really hard to explain. But if you want to use all those pedals, then they will sound like shit (for the most part) if you push the amp to overdrive from turning the volume all the way up. The reason, because you won't be able to get much of a clean tone for those pedals to work with. You can roll back on the guitars volume to clean up the amp, but once you step on the pedals, the level of the signal has just changed again and will be a fucking headache and a half to balance getting it all to work without the distortion pedals overdriving the amp while still making their own distortion. Its really hard to explain, but its a fucking mess. Boost pedals would work in that situation, but not so much distortion pedals.

I can't think right now because I had to deal with all this shit way back when and I hated it then and, now that I am thinking about it, I still hate it now and those fucking migrains I thought were long gone are starting to show their faces again.

:(

Good luck. I will be back later...I think... ;)
 
diogo said:
maybe switching the pro junior tubes to yelow jackets?

would this drop the volume to something useful? apartment wise...
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No. The ProJunior is an EL84 amp.

YellowJackets let you use EL84 tubes in a 6V6 or 6L6 or EL34 type amp.
 
Outlaws,

i think i get it...tanx that was a great explanation, i really got it dont worry and dont think about it! lol dont want to give u any migranes...

one thing though...i use one distortion at the time, never those 3 together..but i know its not much different from what you've explained.

so i cant max the amp if i want to use all my stomps...that makes sense, they define just great on the hotrod but its never maxed out so...

so technically, it makes no sense for me, having a weird and demanding stomp setup like this, to go with the pro junior, cause mainly when gigging, itll be a mess cause ill have to raise the volume considerably..right?

humm...

ps. you have the coolest website..hope u dont mind me looking :/
 
diogo said:
Outlaws,

i think i get it...tanx that was a great explanation, i really got it dont worry and dont think about it! lol dont want to give u any migranes...

one thing though...i use one distortion at the time, never those 3 together..but i know its not much different from what you've explained.

so i cant max the amp if i want to use all my stomps...that makes sense, they define just great on the hotrod but its never maxed out so...

so technically, it makes no sense for me, having a weird and demanding stomp setup like this, to go with the pro junior, cause mainly when gigging, itll be a mess cause ill have to raise the volume considerably..right?

humm...

ps. you have the coolest website..hope u dont mind me looking :/
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Thanks. I havn't updated in a very long time. One day though.


But ya, if you use those pedals it would be like using two of them on a clean amp....distortion into distortion = crapola.

Boost into disortion = hot rodding.


The ProJunior is not a clean gigging amp. It will be loud enough for band practice and to be mic'd on stage, but it won't be clean.

Now you could get a nice clean amp and get a tube overdrive drive pedal. But that is a lot of money since there are not many tube OD pedals for under 2 hundred, with most good ones in the 3-4 area.

Tube preamp disortion isn't bad IMO, its better than most stompboxes.

The best bet is to get a good clean amp for live use since you like to use pedals, and then get a nice small amp for home use.


I would stick with the amp you have at the moment and just start playing other amps until one hits you as a must have. Then do what everyone around here and the rest of the world does.....buy it and sell the old one. then do it all over again next year. :D
 
Outlaws said:
Then do what everyone around here and the rest of the world does.....buy it and sell the old one. then do it all over again next year. :D
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lol
i never did that u know...the hotrod was my first amp. i wouldnt sell it for anything, but its a part ownership with my brother..if i "upgrade", its gotta be from scratch in terms of money, cause the amp goes to him.

i was trying not to spend lots of money on an amp at this point, but i want more or less what ive grown accostumed to in terms of quality...

clean..oohh! ok, now i get what you were saying..when i read clean, i thought u were refering to "clean sound"...as in, no distortion...ence my stupid sentence: "so the amp cant play clean if the tubes are hot?" lol

wich would make sense to me cause i must have overdriven that amp 3 or 4 times, and that was like 4 or 5 years ago..

i always mic the amp when giging, so if the pro junior works that way, its cool...but if it overdrives pretty fast, i might have to rethink the whole thing...

damn...

i really didnt wanna get an attenuator..
(something tells me that was your solution to the migranes of never ending signal goo :D )
 
A tube pedal would get you closer to the ballpark. Check out HC and Ebay for Mesa a Boogie V-Twin(more like a preamp in pedal format) or a V-1 Bottle Rocket. Sadly both are now out of production :( A couple othercompanies make tube pedals, check out as many as you can...there are good one's and DOG's out there ;)
 
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