Question about EQ in the mastering phase

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I mentioned earlier that there were a few reasons for this happening, one being the frequency vs. amplitude physycs thing, which is the same thing that Farview was talking about.

Another is the nature of the RTA display itself. Remember that you are looking at a logarithmic scale. One centimeter left-to-right at the low end is represents only a few Hz, whereas the same distance at the high end represents several kHz or more. It's a thousand-to-one difference in scale. The natural decrease in amplitude that accompanies the increase in frequency will also be displayed with that 1000:1 scale change. A straight line from the top left to the bottom right would be bent into a hyperbolic curve. Part of what you're seeing in that rapid drop off is a function of the display scale used by the RTA.

A third, but probably more minor consideration is that many RTAs are just not that accurate or "sensitive" above 12 or 15k because of the way they are manipulating the FFT numbers. Some of them make some comprimise in mathematical accuracy at those frequencies to make their software more responsive and less of a CPU hog.

A fourth consideration - and question to you guys - have you looked at this stuff with something other than metal as your source? The producer may have simply taken much of the high end out because a wall of Gibsons doesn't need it. Switch to jazz, classical and even more mainstream pop and alt rock CDs, and (on a quality recording, anyway) you'll find plenty of information up there.

Fifth, much of this stuff is engineered to sound best on the radio (or even sometimes now, on MP3.) FM broadcasts are only solid up to 15k, and lord knows that MP3s are useless for anything above 12k. Just as they used to emphase the midranges and not worry so much about the highs back when they wer engineering for AM radio, engineering for FM an Podcast can save studio time and money and optimize the sound by leaving off the high stuff.

All and all, though, it's a tempest in a teapot, IMHO. Those who have been around here for a while know the general disdain I have for RTAs - except in certian circumstances. But even putting that aside, I go back to the start of my original post and add a little more:

If it sounds good, leave it in, if it doesn't take it out. If it has no direct bearing on the sound, forget about it. In this case the RTA signature falls in the thrid category. ;)

G.
 
I understand what you're saying about the physical properties of the display. I can't say that I've looked at much else on there as far as other styles of music. I do know that my own mixes appear to have content that extends all the way to nearly 20k and then drops off steeply on the same display. (That is actually a linear phase EQ plug in with a built in spectrum analyzer)

When I listen to one of these reference recordings and then to my own mix, I don't really notice a difference in the top end. I guess the sound in that frequency range is so slight in this sort of music that it's almost undetectable. I'm sure this is not typical to many other styles of music but heavy metal is really all I deal with. (I know, call me closed minded :cool: )

I don't want to sacrifice sound quality for loudness, and for that matter I don't want to cut those upper frequencies out. I was just curious if that was something that was common in the mastering process for this extremely loud modern metal.

Perhaps it is nothing more than an anomaly caused by the way I rip music from CD's to my computer. :rolleyes:

Anyway, thanks for the replies.
 
metalhead28 said:
I guess the sound in that frequency range is so slight in this sort of music that it's almost undetectable.
Keep in mind too that there's a whole lot of human ears out there that can't hear much of anything above 14 or 15k anyway, regardless of the music content or the quality of the playback system. :)

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Keep in mind too that there's a whole lot of human ears out there that can't hear much of anything above 14 or 15k anyway, regardless of the music content or the quality of the playback system. :)

G.

Haha, maybe that's me. I have stood in front of quite a few roaring amplifiers in my day. :p
 
metalhead28 said:
Haha, maybe that's me. I have stood in front of quite a few roaring amplifiers in my day. :p
Tell me about it...I have been playing with loud music for most of my life; I'm now 46 and I still tell myself every time I go out on a live gig, "One of these days you realy should get yourself some earplugs, stupid!"

Of course now it's probably too late; I can still hear part of last Friday's gig. :o It'll probably go away just in time for this Saturday's gig, at which point I'll be setting up and mumbling to myself, "One of these days..." :rolleyes:

Probably about the same time I quit smoking, unfortunately :( .

G.
 
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