Question about "Cher" auto-tuning.

[RAMI]

You all know the annoying effect I'm talking about, the one that every annoying pop tune is now using.

Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering how one has to sing to get the effect to "work". Do you deliberately have to sing off-key??? I'm thinking that if you sing on key, or at least really close, the auto-tuner has nothing to auto-tune. Do you actually have to practice singing between 2 notes for an entire song?

 

[c7sus]

AFAIK you can tune the harmony part to whatever tuning you want.

Just because it isn't "correcting" that doesn't mean it's not tracking the input and creating the harmony part.

 

[RAMI]

AFAIK you can tune the harmony part to whatever tuning you want.

Just because it isn't "correcting" that doesn't mean it's not tracking the input and creating the harmony part.

Hmmmm....not sure we're talking about the same thing. Harmony part??? I don't follow.

 

[studioplayer]

You all know the annoying effect

Do you deliberately have to sing off-key??? I'm thinking that if you sing on key, or at least really close, the auto-tuner has nothing to auto-tune. Do you actually have to practice singing between 2 notes for an entire song?

LMAO. I was actually thinking the same thing.

It really is an annoying effect. Maybe I'm just too old school and don't get the 'I'm a robot' sound !!

 

[Lt. Bob]

You all know the annoying effect I'm talking about, the one that every annoying pop tune is now using.

Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering how one has to sing to get the effect to "work". Do you deliberately have to sing off-key??? I'm thinking that if you sing on key, or at least really close, the auto-tuner has nothing to auto-tune. Do you actually have to practice singing between 2 notes for an entire song?

I don't think cher had to practice that part.

 

[RAMI]

Maybe I'm just too old school and don't get the 'I'm a robot' sound !!

Yeah, I never saw Star-Wars, so maybe I just don't get it.

But I am asking seriously, though, just to know.

I just realized this might be in the wrong forum. But maybe not. I'll let the moderators decide.

 

[Lt. Bob]

Hmmmm....not sure we're talking about the same thing. Harmony part??? I don't follow.

well, the created 'harmony' part wouldn't have to actually be anything but a unison. It's still created by the software and would jump as the chords changed giving you a lead vocal that was still on the tonic but jumping around with chordal changes.

 

[philbagg]

AFAIK, you'd have to be perfectly in tune, and move between notes in rapid
succession for autotune to not have an effect when used on max settings.

Most singers drift between notes, or ramp up/down to them slower than
autotune will (milliseconds here). So, if it's set to really fast, and highest
amount of pitch correction, it should sound... em... shit

 

[moresound]

Just fooling around with pitch changing I noticed the effect you talk about and I said boy if that just plain s*cks and didn't proceed that effect any further.

Then out came believe by Cher and I said well.....there's one use for it but then it turned into what happened after Framton and Walch used the Heil voice box everyone else was a copycat.

But to answer the question the Lt. has it, it just jumps around by it's self till it finds the key that it thinks you want kind of weird and kind of fun but it's been done before.

 

[mikemorgan]

it just jumps around by it's self till it finds the key that it thinks you want kind of weird and kind of fun but it's been done before.

Kinda like Cher herself.

 

[moresound]

Kinda like Cher herself.

LOL

 

[moresound]

I shouldn't have posted that for I've worked for Cher before ....but I could help myself

 

[TeyshaBlue]

I was doing this 10+ years ago with a old rackmounted Digitech Vocalist harmonizer. I could set the harmony to single voice "unison" and adjust the granularity/resolution of the tracking to coarse/low. Alternately, I'd tune the harmony up one octave and get much the same effect, but the "jerking" quality of the tonal movement would be much more pronounced.

I thought it sucked back then too.

 

[TeyshaBlue]

I was doing this 10+ years ago with a old rackmounted Digitech Vocalist harmonizer. I could set the harmony to single voice "unison" and adjust the granularity/resolution of the tracking to coarse/low. Alternately, I'd tune the harmony up one octave and get much the same effect, but the "jerking" quality of the tonal movement would be much more pronounced.

I thought it sucked back then too.

Here's the only recording I made that I can find that has this effect applied to it. You'll hear it beginning @:42, and then a little more agressively @ 2:04.
It's not as agressively applied as it can be, but even here, it sucks.
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=1286625

BTW Rami. This is why I no longer play drums on recordings.

 

[Chibi Nappa]

You all know the annoying effect I'm talking about, the one that every annoying pop tune is now using.

Cher effect? These days that's called the T-Pain effect ya' old fogie. Twitter your Face Space if you want to keep up with what the kids are saying. Message boards are so 2001.

 

[TeyshaBlue]

Cher effect? These days that's called the T-Pain effect ya' old fogie.

 

[TeyshaBlue]

They had wood burning auto tune units back in Rami's day.

 

[Manslick]

Some Ds here moan.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb99/articles/tracks661.htm

 

[BentRabbit]

You can also control AutoTune via a Midi keyboard... At that point you pretty much can do note jumps all over the place.

To me it sounds like Robot Bagpipes...

 

[Farview]

Even though the effect on the Cher song wasn't auto-tune (it was a vocorder), if you set auto-tune to its fastest, hardest settings it will produce that effect. Another way that this is done is by hooking a keyboard up to Auto-tune and playing the vocal part. That is the way that this is done when someone is doing the effect on purpose.