put my heart and soul in this one

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hello everyone...i just added a new song to NoWhere Radio.com


i would love for you to listen to it and let me know what you think...all feedback and advice is greatly appreciated..

http://www.nowhereradio.com/

<scroll down to "new songs">


middleman--------rabbit renewed (alternative)



the first section of lyrics are from a radiohead song called, "Rabbit In Your Headlights." i loved these lyrics so much that i wanted to use them. alll credits to Thom Yorke of course...all the music and the remaining words are original...happy listening.
 
Holy SSSSSSSSSSSibilance Batman!!!!!! :eek:

I couldn't tell if the song was sung by snakes or what!!! You've got some heavy ssssssssss'ing going on there.......

I must admit, I don't care for the vocals - they sound like the mids were sucked out and the phrasing/delivery doesn't seem to suit - especially on the 1st verse.

Overall not bad, but even ambience-type songs need some dynamics.... songs built on a single keyboard loop get redundant quickly unless you get some background ear candy happening.

Bruce
 
saying that my singing sounded like snakes is a little much, but i see what you are saying...i didn't suck any mids from the vocals...i am using some pretty cheap equipment. the song wasn't built on one keyboard loop, i think it has some nice dynamics and changes..

thanks for the feedback..i appreciate your honest opinions
 
The "singing by snakes" comment was entirely due to the sibilance, which is fairly excessive in the 1st verse....

I meant no insult -- you post clips for opinions and that's what you got!

Bruce
 
what do recommend that i do to remove the sibilance? does it lsit in a specific frequency range? i do appreciate feedbacks and i am grateful that you gave it a listen..
 
Great Song.

Reminds me of earlier Depeche mode, and your singing reminds me of "The Alan Parsons Project".. especially the song "Eye in the Sky"

I see what Bruce is talking about with the Sibilance.... It's not to the point of being painful, but It's definatley "There"

Compress the vox a bit more and use a de-esser... If you don't have a De-esser, try and eq it to knock out the Ess as much as possible, without affecting the rest of the vocal...

I really like this tune.....

Oh one more suggestion... It's hard to give advice on sounds, cause you might have wanted this effect, but I find the keyboard at the beginning before the vocal starts, to be fatiqueing on the ears... way to much upper mids...

But as I said, you might have wanted that sound... Im just posting what "I" noticed..

Good stuff!
 
voxvendor

thank you very much for listening to the cut and i appreciate the feedback...i will have to do something about the sibilance...it is really hard for me to hear it...it sounds a bit rough to me, but i'm not hearing a lot of high end sounds...my ears are still young, only been at it for 6 years...but these posts are helping me a lot...iam going to go listen to some Alan Parson's project to get the similarities...


as far as the upper mids in the piano part that you commented on, i did intend on it standing out of the mix with ringing mids, but i don't want it to be fatiguing..i will listen to it with a different perspective and try some new things to make it more comfortable to listen to..


again, thank you very much.. i truly appreciate you taking time to experience my music..
 
Re: voxvendor

samich17 said:

as far as the upper mids in the piano part that you commented on, i did intend on it standing out of the mix with ringing mids, but i don't want it to be fatiguing..i will listen to it with a different perspective and try some new things to make it more comfortable to listen to..
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If you want that ringing mids sound that will stand out in the mix, without the fatigueing sound, try getting rid of all the highs and lows, but not touching any mids, nor boosting them,,,

I think that will get you the effect you are looking for...

If you *must* boost anything, make it the lower mids....(just under the mids)

I find that it's the Mid-high area that really gets to be a pain on the ears.. Avoid that area for sure.. just leave it at the flat setting

hope this helps.
:)
 
that did help a lot...thank you very much...i do tend to boost the midsinstead of bringing down the lows and highs...good pointer..i tried it out and it sounds considerably less annoying..hehe...just want you to know that i appreciate you taking the time to respond...i wish there were more like ya...take care..

after i fix some things with the song..i am going to repost it and give you props for shedding some light on the problem...
 
You need a different link now. As new songs are added, older ones are replaced, so you are not on the new songs listing.
 
i noticed that..thank you...i left enough info...for people to find it if they really want to...i'm not going to be bothersome about it...i was already repremanded for it :) i'll ctach some new people the next time around..no biggie...thanks for responding..
 
Hey Samich,

I caught this the first time around and didn't say anything because it had already been said. Also, I'm not as familiar with the genre so I'm not entirely sure if my comments are valid.

Having said that, my first response to both of your tunes was "What did he say?" I think your vocals were very low in the mix. I'm not sure if it is supposed to be that way.

From the point of view of this rocker, (for what its worth) "Birthday Bash" has a very dark, introspective, and almost dreamy feel to it musically. I wonder if has a good balance of lows and highs? When the bass cuts out for the quieter part the song suddenly has a lot more air. Then I notice that the rest of the tune is missing the high freqs that are usually pretty clear in electronica.

Anywho, the more I listen the more I like it. I'm beginning to lose my rock-fried ears and can start ro pick out the words. I can see cranking this through the jeep speakers and driving, driving, driving...espeically if I'm in somewhat of a funk.

Good work.
 
thanks for responding brother...i too am a rocker..i started out playing straight rock and roll...though i was still listening to many many styles of music and it directly pushed me to try new things...plus, my rock and roll band didn't go any steps forward in three years, so.....hehe...

i think that removing myself from the box allowed me to grow in different ways, though i acknowledge that i am very very young at music creation, recording, mixing etc...but i am young myself and know that since i will never stop, i will continue to get better and better...responses from you guys help me grow faster. i do appreciate it.

i will take the things you said in account the next time i listen to it and with newer tracks...those ones are about 6 months old, i plan on putting some fresher cuts out sometime soon...the more i learn, the more meticulous i become..AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
 
I checked it out, nice job.
I agree with Bruce about the snake sounds, slithering sibilance surrounded my speakers! The vocal needs to be louder, too. Good work
 
Hey Samich, can I borrow some of that sibilance for my tunes? ;)
 
i can't hear the sibilance...what is wrong with my ears!!?>?> i hear s's, but it doesn't sound bothersome to me...i am listening to my cuts through Cerwin Vega home stereo speakers...would that make a grave difference...i think the vocals sound pretty good...after a million takes i was actually happy with them...i admit they are a bit rough in spots (out of tune and rhythm)....i really want to hear what you are talking about...could you suggest anything to make it better? thanks a lot
 
Some ideas:

" Rabbit in your Headlightssssssss"

" sssStuck in Dessssspair""

Those are 2 examples of what I mean. The S sound sticks out, almost jumps out of the mix. The vocal is rather bleak and lowkey, and the S is quite prominent.

I have a pair of nice Monitors(Tannoys), set up properly, so maybe it is a matter of your listening system, I dont really know.

You sing " TV stations", I think. Check out the s on Stationssssss, also "thin rubber Glovessss", same thing. You can get rid of it with a de-esser. To me, it would be worth the effort. Cheers,Dave
 
i know exactly what you mean with the essing...i have listened to it many a time today and it certainly jumps in my face the way you describe...i tried de-essing the vocals and it really made them dull sounding..i compensated with more higher-mids and it wasn't working...i think it has more to do with proper pronunciation...i know i have a lot to learn as a singer...i am learning...trial and error....thanks a lot for responding. music creation is such an involved lifestyle...i just hope i don't ever lose my amateur perspective. i like things to sound real and in my face...i don't want to beat myself to death striving for a perfection that doesn't really exist...hey, maybe i'll use that in a song..:)
 
Can't find your tune!! Looked all around nowhere radio. What's the link?

Macle
 
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