psycadelic flute rock, jazz fusion? not sure how to "label" us

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Amnesia Vivace

Amnesia Vivace

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Hello, I'm Jeff. long-time listener, first time caller

anyway, I have some tunes posted up at vprime.com

I tracked them in my basement. DI the guitar from a Line 6 vetta 2, DI the bass, sm58 on the flute, 57's on the drums, sure beta on the kick, peavey diamond on the overheads... run these into a MOTU 896, and Cakewalk 8, and Sony Soundforge for tweaking the tracks effects, compression, reverb etc.
No fantastic gear, i know, but its a hobbie right now :-)

I am looking for feedback of any help here, mixing tips, thoughts on the style, songwriting, playing, pretty much whatever :-)

Thanks for listening.
Jeff
 
I listened to a few of your tunes.

And I liked the tunes, great hearing some flute.

There are some level issues, and the drum kit sounds kinda cheap, have you tried taming the snare a little.

I suggest you do a search here in the forum of recording techniques, there is loads of info on how to proced.

Its very intresting stuff you`ve got there, just mess around with the recordings a bit more :)
 
Don't have much time now, so just listened to the first two...
Cool groove and sounds, along with some cool song writing.
I like the overall sounds... once thing I think you could improve is the clean electric guitar sound. It sounds pretty thin and a bit too far on the high end. Bothers my ears a bit at times. Maybe you could try cutting high end with the EQ and double tracking or so for the thickness.
Bass sounds good throughout.
THe dirty electric sounds cool, but is pretty nasty, I'd recommend EQing the midrange on that some.
Cool, interesting stuff man, definitely a lot of potential here! :cool: :cool:
 
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The intro electric is too bright, add some upper mids?
The flute sound is very good
The snare is too loud - actually the whole kit is.
The bass sounds good.
All nicely played though I thought I heard a couple of fudges on guitar - did I?
Nice piece of work. Just the things above. Of them all the snare & bright guitar really require some tweaking but that's it.
Well done.
 
rayc said:
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The intro electric is too bright, add some upper mids?
The flute sound is very good
The snare is too loud - actually the whole kit is.
The bass sounds good.
All nicely played though I thought I heard a couple of fudges on guitar - did I?
Nice piece of work. Just the things above. Of them all the snare & bright guitar really require some tweaking but that's it.
Well done.
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I have to agree with ray....and the tuning on the guitar was a bit off , might be intonation problems, other than that, I like it, keep tweaking until you like it, that is the real goal here :D
 
thanks

Thanks for your input :-) the taming of the snare :-) kit too loud, is now a good time to mention that I am the drummer? lol.... I was trying to be conscience of that fact and tried NOT to mix like a drummer.

I have looked around on this site for a while now gathering info... now its just a matter of recording over and over till i get it right. when I get a "round to it" i will re-mix these tunes with the advise I have hear.

BTW, the guitar player really hated the sound he was using also, I thought that was the sound he was going for and I EQ'd accordingly, you should hear the raw track, guh... we had an issue with he amp, its only tracked the one channel, and of course the meat of that sound was on the other channel :-/ its a work in progress.
 
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Nakatira said:
There are some level issues, and the drum kit sounds kinda cheap, have you tried taming the snare a little.
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Yes, the kit is half cheap and half old :-) What would you suggest for improving the sound... are you refering to tuning here, or the mixing?
 
One more advice for the road.

Make sure everything sounds perfect before you mike it.
In other words tune your drums to perfection, tune all your instruments, fiddle around with your amps untill you get a nice sound.

I think the recording and mixing process becomes much easier if everything is ready to go. :)

Hope this helps you some.

Anyways as mentioned, just become a part of the forum, read and search.
Ask questions, many helpfull people here.

Good luck on your quest, and I`m looking forward to hearing more from you :)
 
It's REALLY hard to be objective about your own instrument. You should hear my original set of mixes for most of my stuff - so bass heavy it could have been dub.
It took ages & finally visiting this forum & when brave enough posting songs for comment thathas taken me part of the way from that perspective.
Different ears are fesh ears I guess.
 
Amnesia Vivace said:
Yes, the kit is half cheap and half old :-) What would you suggest for improving the sound... are you refering to tuning here, or the mixing?
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First of get the drums tuned better, I`m not a drummer but the sanre was singing to much for me, as I said in my other post.
Dont record before you think the sound of your kit sounds perfect.

Btw the room your playing in will also make a huge contribution to your drum sound, most of time the room not on your side in making it sound good.

If you can afford it treat you room, even just a little treament helps.

You can read about room treatment here in the "building display" part of the forum.


I find this link very usfull;
http://www.orange-fields.com/widepages/wideasleeprec.html


As for recording your drums; experiment, I think I would start with one on the kick and one Overhead.
I think the music you`re going for needs roomy drums, not tight and focused.


anyway just my 2cents :)
 
Nakatira said:
First of get the drums tuned better, I`m not a drummer but the sanre was singing to much for me, as I said in my other post.
Dont record before you think the sound of your kit sounds perfect.

Btw the room your playing in will also make a huge contribution to your drum sound, most of time the room not on your side in making it sound good.

If you can afford it treat you room, even just a little treament helps.

You can read about room treatment here in the "building display" part of the forum.


I find this link very usfull;
http://www.orange-fields.com/widepages/wideasleeprec.html


As for recording your drums; experiment, I think I would start with one on the kick and one Overhead.
I think the music you`re going for needs roomy drums, not tight and focused.


anyway just my 2cents :)
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I have some homemade basstraps/sound absorbers one in each corner of a long rectangular basement (yes, the perfect room :rolleyes: ) and some eggcrate on one brick wall, cork on another brick wall, a naked brick wall with the ever popular bookcase diffuser, and a paneled stud wall, carpets, and a drop ceiling, with 'acoustic' tiles....

not a great room, but i have tried to overcome these obstacles as best I can with the money I have to put into it.

on a side note, I used to mix my stuff in an untreated room, I can REALLY tell the difference!
 
RAMI said:
OUCH!!!

OK NL5....I'll hold him...you hit him. :p :D
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ok, maybe a bad way to state it :-) I meant, I tried not to put myself in the top of the mix... if I were a flute player I would have said "try not to mix like a flute player"

this was by no means a cut or jab at drummers and their collective mixing abilities :-)
 
OK- I get the Lanthanum, Hafnium, Tungsten. Rhenium, Osmium, Iridium, Platinum , Gold, Mercury etc. part of that Alphabet Soup.

But have you discovered new elements beyond Lawrencium?
Roofium?
Doobium?
Gibson esSGium?
Boo Hahhmium?
Hashishium?
Moratorium????

I liked the tune though. Wish I could help ya with those drums. :)

The rest of the instruments seemed well balanced as far as the mix goes.

As to the "label" it seems very rooted in early Tull jams. So I'd call it more on the Rock end of the Fusion spectrum.
 
remixed

ok, I have remixed my tunes with lower drum levels... and EQ'd the guitar again... like I said earlier, the guitar sound is known to be ghastly :-) improvements are currently being tracked.
 
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