Pro's Prefer CD Mastering at 1X...and can hear the difference.

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"Yeah, that's why regebro was out of line to respond the way he did to the Stephen Paul quotes I posted. He kept-on implying Stephen couldn't exlain himself."

Bullshit. Try and read what I have written again.
The only things I have ever said about Stephen Paul is:

1. I have never heard of him before (and, no none of my musician or recording friends have either).
2. He seems very upset, but I can't figure out about what or why (which was true for the first posts you posted, where Stephen Paul was ranting about how everybody was flaming him for no reason).
3. Not even Stephen Pauls ears can be trusted unless in a double-blind situation.

Now, I'm very sorry if this in someway kills of your view of Stephen Paul as being superhuman and world famous, but that isn't my problem. I have no idea why you seem to take everything I write here as some sort of attack on Stephen Pauls person, and the same goes for Stephen Paul himself.

And, yes, you ARE being rude and behaving like a moron. If you can't stand being called rude and moronic, there is an easy solution: Stop behaving like that.
 
Hey damnit!!!

I am the only person around here who is supposed to be a jerk!

All you other jerks, including big named newbies, quit doing my job, or I will have to get the Local 69 Jerksters goons to come out and set you straight.

;)

I think I caught enough of the technical stuff in these "rants" to get a feel for what SP was talking about. I will not dispute the facts. But.....

I don't many of us on here, including myself have the experience level, the quality of gear, or the ears to appreciate the difference between a 1X and 2X speed burn on our little ol' crappy internal, external, or stand alone CDR burners. Anyone want to dispute that?

Every mastering house I have used burned at 2X speed. I burn at 2X speed. Hell, Bob Katz recommends 2X speed. BURN AT 2X SPEED AND QUIT THE DAMN BICKERING!!!

SP. Ummmmmmmmmmm. I have played the condescending game before. I could give a rats ass what you have done in the past. I got my ass reamed for it, and now you are too. Just remember that some of the people on here could be your next big customers. Well, er, maybe not now....:) Get it?

I usually find that posting what you know is good enough. If you don't have the time to dispute, and to prove your position, well, just don't post thanks! I have ignored my share of silly posts that had undertones of discrediting things I have said on here myself. I have also responded to some of them, and that only made things worse when my comments suggested that my credentials should be taken at face value without me offering up any insight into the matter in a manner that all can understand.

To tell you the truth, many of your comments are just outright rude (who am I to talk , eh guys? :) ). After reading them, I doubt I would ever do business with you. You may care less about that, but here are the words for many to read for a long time to come (unless you do the tasteless "deleting" of your post, something I would never dream of doing) and who knows who might not choose to deal with you. You may not care. You may not care because you figure you have enough business to take care of whatever needs to be taken care of. Fine. But, you appear to be the same elitist jerk that you complaining about in your "rants".

It is a shame that you cannot help with:

1- Meaningful content that us

"ignorant misleading self-styled gurus who should really a) Take the wax out of their ears, b) STOP reading idiotic spec sheets that tell you nothing, c) get a job doing family counseling so that compared to your advice the people in bad marriages start to listen to each other, and d) at the risk of seeming like an egotistical jerk, (which I try not to be, but I'm sure I am from time to time) if you don't know who I am, you SURE as hell don't know enough about audio, computers, OR recording techniques in general to be telling anybody here =anything=..."

can understand in plain english terms seeing how we are

"this group has degenerated into another typical group of a few seekers being led by a LOT of unqualified hacks."


2- Have a spirit of teaching us (insert all your comments above). Hell, I even give some good info when I am ragging on somebody....:)

3- Dropping the martyr complex in audio discussions.

Actually, I think some of the comments made about your "facts" (or those scetchy ramblings of something) were reasonable.

I do not claim to know it all. I also agree that many things concerning audio cannot be measured, even though the ear can hear the difference. I also KNOW that spec sheets are a crock of shit. So I am with you.

Just don't be a fucking jerk about it....:) And not sharing information that can be useful to a whole new crop of aspiring engineers for "assumed" interpretations of their comments is not only selfish, but childish.

Think about it. I would enjoy reading stuff that would actually provide on the level (meaning the level people on here could understand) facts about your views. But outright put downs are tasteless, and tiring to read. I am not impressed with you as an induvidual right now because of those comments. And while that may not mean anything to you, you never know if I am the next big hotshot that will come along and steal all your business because I am tolerant and helpful, even though I may not have your "obvious"? technical expertice.

Slam what I know. Call me a hack. Unqualified. Stupid if you must. But shit dude, at least give some information.

I am done with my rant. I will actually never post in this thread again. But rest assured, I will give my unqualified knowledge and opinions. And you know what, people will listen....:)

Damn, I am almost getting as pointless as FT here! I better stop....LOL

Ed
 
"Now, I'm very sorry if this in someway kills of your view of Stephen Paul as being superhuman and world famous, but that isn't my problem."

My view? I've personally talked with Stephen (even on personal matters) countless hours to NOT need a "view" of who he is. And you actually think you could kill my "view" even if I had one?

"And, yes, you ARE being rude and behaving like a moron. If you can't stand being called rude and moronic, there is an easy solution: Stop behaving like that."

My behavior is NOT ANY different from what earned your respect for me before. You consider me being rude and moronic for what reason?

The ONLY thing I can think of is for me not liking those personal attacks on my friend Stephen and me saying something about them. I even said something about it in a EXTREMELY sarcastic way to "lighten-up the load" and then ended with the whole deal about Digital Domain to try and get back to the purpose of the thread and it STILL been ignored. And because of THIS?, The respect you had for me thus far is now gone?

If that is the case, I will NOT stop behaving like that and even though I have lost your respect.

You say there are NO attacks to Stephen by you , but I've read this ENTIRE thread over and over again numerous times and I CANNOT see a different way of taking them.
 
Ed

If that is the case about Bob Katz at Digital Domain, then why does he glass master at 1X speed ONLY.
 
Recording Engineer said:
My behavior is NOT ANY different from what earned your respect for me before. You consider me being rude and moronic for what reason?

The ONLY thing I can think of is for me not liking those personal attacks on my friend Stephen and me saying something about them.
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I have not attacked Stephen Paul. I have spent my two last posts showing this to you. As far as I'm concerned, you are hallucinating.
 
Ed

I think it's just a matter of understanding where he's coming from

He comes to the thread planning to share the results of all his experiments and experiences on the subject and why through a personal invitation from myself, thinking his presents and comments would be welcomed and appreciated.

But what does he find? That. All the exact same crap he stopped participating on RAP for four months ago. And no one can see why he responded the way he did?

Though you are completely wrong about who he is as a person. He is one of the most down to earth and passionate persons I've ever met. We have racked-up countless hours of conversation; professionally and personally. Believe me, he does not keep his knowledge to himself.

He's written plenty of articles for various magazines over the years. He started to participate in RAP but it seems not enough people wanted to soak-up the info; not worth his time. The few individuals who care can ask him questions by e-mail or phone. Now, his huge SPA website will ready any time now and it will be filled with so much info, you'll have an brain overload.

Man, Stephen. And to think you had a few rounds with George Massenburg too. I like the trick you played on him though. That alone said a lot. Hehe.
 
"I have not attacked Stephen Paul. I have spent my two last posts showing this to you. As far as I'm concerned, you are hallucinating."

I'd like to think so.
 
Also

regebro, remember there were a few other people in this thread who weren't saying very nice things about Stephen.
 
Re: Also

Recording Engineer said:
regebro, remember there were a few other people in this thread who weren't saying very nice things about Stephen.
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That may well be. Then be rude to THEM, if you like.
 
I Already Have

Above in my And There You Have It post. Most of it wasn't directed just to you.
 
Bummer, I seem to have got into this thread a bit late....

I was intrigued by the concept of "digital degradation". Being a computer software kind of guy, I thought I'd see if I could "degrade" some digital stuff. So I put on my lab coat, got my pocket protector, thick glasses, ordered copious amounts of pizza, and decided to conduct an experiment.

It's a pretty simple concept - if digital signals degrade, then copying a .wav file would result in sound degradation.

So i wrote a little program to copy a wave file from one computer to another, then back again, then back again and so on. I thought "yeah, this'll reduce it all by 3dB".

So I got my wave file, setup two machines to test it one, and started copying. And cos I've only got shit speakers, and my ears aren't fantastic, I thought I'd also include a refernce file that was text to see if it changes.

45,000 copies later, I had a look for any signal degradation.

Funny - there wasn't any. Gee, that's suprising...NOT.

Therefore - we have gaffa's First Conjecture. Copy a file does not result in any sort of degradation.

And also gaffa's Second Conjecture. That burning a disk at 1X is no different than burning the disk at 2x. This assumes that the burning equipment is placed in an isolated room that absorbs all shocks, and the the cat doesn't accidently jump on top of the CD-recorder burning the burning phase. If you get no errors in the burning phase, then the copies will be identical.

Naturally, being a world expert on absolutely bugger all, you can all be rest assured that I am correct, and the rest of you are all wrong - not just on this matter, but on everything, all the time.

Thanks you

End Of Sermon

- Professor gaffa - Fellow of the Royal Shit-Stirrers Society. OBE, KBE, MBE, B.App.Sci, LLB, B.Sci., B.For., B.A., B.Bus, M.A, M.Bus, MBA.
 
To Stephen Paul

Do you see anything in here that says Boring and uninteresting...........I didnt say that

"""""""""""LoOk
where finaly at the end of the thread
a typical Stephen Paul post looooooong.

Tony

good ta see ya RE"""""""""""

and as for your last Quote yeah I thought it was downright
Fucken rude....(not you RE)

Good Day

[Edited by tutton on 09-06-2000 at 05:48]
 
I ll keep my big FUCKIN mouth shut then
and wont bother commin here with any fuckin opinions anymore
as youve probably worked out by now this is a fuckin home fuckin recording fucking site not a BIG BOY fucking STUDIO

WASTE OF FUCKIN TIME:mad:

Good Fuckin BYE

[Edited by tutton on 09-06-2000 at 05:52]
 
"First of all, I guess I'd better keep this short as I can"

Gee, I wonder what a long response would have looked like?

I'd like to keep this thread going as long as we can, because I think we're far from exhausting the crucially important issue of CD burning speeds, or the mutual recriminations for that matter, so I'll throw my empirical weight behind that of the scientist who made 45,000 copies of a file without any degradation (well, he was lucky, I'll admit, that he has no cats - it's a virtual statistical certainty that if you have a cat, the bastard will jump on your computer at least *once* in the course of making 45,000 copies of a wav file.) Anyway, I downloaded this file comparison software:

http://www.scootersoftware.com/index.html

because my CD burner *only* burns at 2X, and I wanted to know the truth, no matter how painful. Imagine my surprise and my joy when I discovered that NONE OF MY 2X FILES WERE DEFECTIVE! Of course, the tunes sound like shit, but the shit was burned *impeccably* to CD at 2X. I can hold my head up proudly in home recording society now. I HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT COMES OF KNOWLEDGE!

Big-time wrestling, eat your heart out.
 
(grin) Well, I love you, that's for sure. As for a lotta these other contributors, I gotta love them in a *different* sorta way. See, unlike you and me, some folks just don't respond to exhortations to get along. I mean, under ordinary circumstances, you'd just appeal to common sense, right? But if that doesn't work (and it's not working in this thread, because both emotion and pride are involved), you move on to irony. That's where we are now - there've been a couple of posts in that vein. The shelf life on this thread expired a long time ago.

BTW, I *did* carry out the test I described on my files which were burned at 2X, and they passed the test. It wasn't only irony.
 
I'll Be The First To Admit

I really can't say a damn thing considering this is not my area. That's why I looked to my friend Stephen Paul. I'm sure he'll say something about it all on his website. Only thing I can say is:

I'm sure Stephen doesn't have these great programs you guys are using... hehe.

Tony, I do have to admit I never did take your comment about Stephen's posts always being long as serious. I always knew you were making a little "funny".
 
I can't comment on audio CDs, at least not before digging more information on the data recovery scheme used on them. I wouldn't want ot be accused of talking out of my ass. But when the author of that original article says "Even transferring a sound file from one hard drive to another changes the sound slightly" ... well then with all due respect he is talking out of his ass, no matter how impressive his credentials are.

Hard disk copies have to be perfect, or programs don't run. Unlike CDs, hard disks store audio in exactly the same format as data and any computer that so easily corrupted data would never run the program used to play the audio. Anytime someone says something like that, where I know what their saying is wrong, then I become skeptical of the rest of what they have to say.
 
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