Project studio for home

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I forgot to add WHY I said all that stuff about the electronic kit....to do that, I will have to have the power and ram that the dual 2.0 Mac G5 has to do it in real-time while the drummer is playing, and have zero latency. So eventually I will be getting one anyway, but if my PC can handle the PT sessions then....bla bla. Mhmm.

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Ok here's a pretty simple floorplan (for lack of a better word) of my space that I am using. There is another room which the door to the main room goes to, it's like 20ft wide on the wall that "touches" my room, and the other side is like 13ft, so it's big, only thing is that there are stairs that lead down...so sound leakage...both ways. Anyway, here it is. Mhmm.

Layout

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Also, for treatments in the main room, I have seen these panels on walls, sort of like a cloth material over a frame....basically like a painter's canvas in a way, and they are in different sizes, mostly rectangular shaped, all over the walls in control rooms. Would those be fine for absorbtion in my room? Would foam/carpet (yuck) be better?

The other little room is basically like an iso booth, there is some foam on the walls in there, not eggcrate stuff for beds, but actual stuff I bought in a recording department of Sam Ash or something. Made a pretty big difference in the sound in there. I mainly use that room to mic up guitar cabs, which is what are in the picture, but I have used it for vocals before and it came out nicely. I didn't really mean to record everybody at once, as far as the band I'm doing goes. I will be doing everything seperately, each instrument that is. Keep in mind, I'm not by any means expecting some really great production sounds, all I want is a little project studio for my own personal projects. They will come out good enough for me, trust me on that. I mean right now I'm using a 1600watt Sony home theater system to mix on, albeit I have learned how and where to compensate on it, having actual monitors would improve my mixes sooooo much. Also having the right mics for things. I've done vocals with an SM57...and sure, I could get it to sound decent but it's just not good enough. Just having a condensor with a compressor would improve things soooo much for vocal tracking. You have to understand that where I am at now, is that I am doing some pretty damn good stuff for what I am using. So basically imagine what I could do with the stuff I want to get. ; ) Mhmm.

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Johnny Blaze said:
I'm not necessarily a newbie at engineering.

This is a good thing, sort of an apprenticeship over time. Working with different people is also a good thing to gain depth in the knowledge you have as well as widen the breath of knowledge. Recording is part technical, part art, and as you gain your own experience behind the console (big or small) you're going to leverage the technical knowledge you've gained as well as apply your own artistic aspects.

One of the things I often recommend is to hitch yourself to a professional studio, and VOLUNTEER a few hours a week. Larger studios always need a extra pair of hands, and most studio owners do very much like people who are eager to learn. And yeah, they'll hand you bags of mic cables to unknot and sort, but its a worthwhile tradeoff to sit behind a professional recording engineer during a few sessions, and ask all the questions you want. Depending on the studio, you might get to sniff gear you'd otherwise only see pictures off in magazines. :D

The last pro studio I co-owned was in upstate NY, about 45 minutes north of NJ. A local community college had approached us to see if we were interested in sponsoring apprenticeships in small numbers. As a studio owner, this translated into free labor and pizza vaccuums (college kids can sure eat!), and an opportunity to "pass the craft" so to speak to people who were genuinely enthusiastic about this aspect of the recording industry. There were a couple of clients I'd halt the apprenticeships for, simply because time was compressed and we needed a higher degree of focus (without the distractions of "why that much compression?) type questions, but for the most part this actually was a lot of fun for the apprentices as well as the employees of my studio. There is a little bit of "teacher" in all of us I guess.

Anyway, this is just an idea. I'm not suggesting that you're friends aren't an appropriate way to learn the craft, just suggesting that spending some time with professionals who do this for a living, might ADD to your knowledge in a way you'd not expect - and it can only benefit you and your future projects. And I'm not suggesting spend 60 hours a week volunteering - you need to eat of coruse - but even 4 hours a week during an evening session might be very much worthwhile.

I found that most of the college students (apprentices) the college sent over were very stiffled in the creativity area. The college thought their recording classes very rigid and while they offered tremendous amount of information, really useful information, they did approach it like any other classroom - memorization of equipment functionality, term papers on history of recording, instruments, etc, and a lot of the "art" aspect was left off.

What was cool is the student's final exam was to create a "professional grade" recording. The school had its own recording lab with antiquated equipment for the students to use at will, but most of the students that apprenticed with us asked to use our studio. What do you say to that? I'd give them a used real of 2" tape and say "studios not booked on monday morning at 8am, knock yourself out". It was typical for the students to record their girlfriends which had interesting results at time :D, but a couple of the students actually put together a full rock band by asking friends to play drums, bass, guitar, etc, to play in the studio for them to record, even though they weren't a band beforehand. Sort of an "play together now, I need to record something".

Anyway, I know I sidetracked, but I think in the story you might see the suggestion I'm making - volunteering free labor in small doses might afford you an opportunity to learn some knowledge that you might never be directly exposed to - only read about in magazines. And that might be helpful to you and your projects going forward.

And it doesn't matter what equipment that studio uses, protools, otari 24 tracks, nada. Its the techniques and concepts you want. What color the knobs are is irrelevent. Good luck!
 
I actually do that, the volunteering. That guy on here, ItsOnLikeDonkeyKong, that works at Keith Harter Music here in San Antonio, I go there all the time and help out on evening sessions and stuff. I don't particularly like IOLDK....but I do like the studio, and he has showed me some things. They run a huge HD|3 suite there that I drool over every time I go. Millenia pres, Neumann Solution D's, yummy. It's the kind of studio thats not too nice but at the same time is pro. Something I can easily see myself owning in ten years or so, but not 3 suites. Anyway though, I understand completely what you're saying. I actually am at the stage to where I'm doing thigns to my taste, while still involving the technical aspect. For example, for my friend's band that I am recording right now, I know that because of the style of music, I will want the guitars to be eq'ed a certain way, even though the technical part is to make them sit well in the mix and be heard without spilling over into other instrument's spaces, I have to mind that AND throw my taste in as well. That kind of stuff is probably why I love to record so much. Me being at the point to where I know how to make stuff mix well as well as being able to throw in how I want it to sound just makes me happy, :D. Before I learned panning, and the general frequencies for different instruments (where to cut/boost, the general areas for each thing) I could get everything to sound reallllllly good, but only by itself. The guitars would sound awesome all by themself, and the drums would sound awesome all by themselves. The trick was learning how to put them together and still have an awesome sound for both. But anywho, to my original question above yours Fred, should I try to get some of those panels that I described? Mhmm.

JBlaze
 
Panels can help quite a bit depending on the acoustical issues you're experience.

So, unless I missed it scanning upwards, what issues are you experiencing?

As far as your last response, I'll just say "cool" as it is cool... but just offer that an easy way of remebering "acoustical space" in your mixes is to create a simple "X-Y" graph, with the X-axis in the center of the width of the page, and the Y-axis in the center of the height of the page, forming a big "plus".

The X-axis is pan... and the Y-axis is frequencies, 20-20Khz. I find that very helpful to visualize when I'm working on a particularly complicated piece. The engineer's goal of course is to fill the majority of the page/graph with a wide at the top, narrower at the bottom, trapazoid (low frequencies at the bottom of course).
 
Oh, with the absorbtion, mshilarious said that using the Mackie HR824s in a smaller room I would need something to help absorb the "extra", or something along those lines. So I was wondering if those panels would work or not. And I never thought of drawing out my space to visualize the mixes. I think I'll try that once I get all my gear. So panels or no? Mhmm.

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Also, I was thinking, maybe I should just get two of the FMR RNC compressors instead of a Focusrite TwinTrak Pro. I don't really need everything the TwinTrak offers, mainly just the compressors that it has. I wanted something with two compressors, since I like to use two mics at once on a lot of things except vocals, having the two compressors...you get the idea. Plus, getting two RNCs and the rack thing for them would be cheaper than the Focusrite, and 1u instead of 2. Thoughts? Mhmm.

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Johnny Blaze said:
Oh, with the absorbtion, mshilarious said that using the Mackie HR824s in a smaller room I would need something to help absorb the "extra", or something along those lines. So I was wondering if those panels would work or not. And I never thought of drawing out my space to visualize the mixes. I think I'll try that once I get all my gear. So panels or no? Mhmm.

JBlaze

That wasn't preciously what I meant, so I'll clarify. Your typical 6" woofer doesn't do much below 100Hz, so low frequency standing waves are somewhat less of a problem (because there aren't many to start with). But then that still isn't a good thing, because you need to hear that part of your mix. Thus the advice to get the 824 (from somebody else, I recall).

OK now you have to pay attention to bass frequency cancellation, and that means bass traps. I'll bet a sofa makes a decent bass trap, but you'll need some in every corner. Search this board for "bass trap construction" or just buy Ethan's if you like.

And a few panels never hurt anything.
 
Ok awesome, thank you for clearing that up for me. So panels, and Ethan's bass traps. Thanks.

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Ok, so here is my updated list, minus the bass traps and panels, etc.

DigiDesign 002R
Mackie HR824a (2)
ProCo 8ch. Snake (2)
BLUE Dragonfly
BLUE Baby Bottle Bundle from SW
Shure PS-6 Pop screen
QuickLok MI RS513 14u rolling rack
Furman PL-Plus Series II
FMR RNC (2)
FunkLogic NCC-1701 rackmount for RNC
Focusrite OctoPre w/ADAT option
PreSonus HP4

And I have some xlr cables, stands, and monitor stands as well that I didn't list. I was wondering what you guys thought about the Avalon AD2022 mic pre. I really like Avalon's pres, but an Earthworks 2-channel Zero Distortion pre is supposed to be good as well with less money. Keep in mind I need at least two channels (tube or not, preferably tube) for use with vocals, acoustic guitars, and stringed instruments. So if the Avalon or Earthworks aren't what I need, then what? Possibly two different one channel pres? One for vocals and one for guitars and strings? Thoughts? Mhmm.

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