production skills - questions/poll (sorta)

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1. is there a difference between a "album cut" beat maker and a "single" beat maker?

2. which do you think you are? (or are you both?)


me personally - i think im more of an ALBUMCUT producer - even the "best" beats that i have made are . . . more of something that is "good to hear" somewhere in the middle of teh cd -
 
i personally believe it has more to do with the artists lyrics making a beat a single or a album filler
 
Hard for me to answer since I mostly do exclusives, meaning I usually don't sit around making beats. I usually go to the artist and get a vibe off of them and proceed to give them what they need.
 
i believe the more trl appeal it has the more likely it will be a single
 
ok - is there a "quality" level asssociated with either of these 2? for instance, if you are a "album cut" producer - does that mean you are not "that good" of a producer? or vice versa?
 
gullyjewelz said:
ok - is there a "quality" level asssociated with either of these 2? for instance, if you are a "album cut" producer - does that mean you are not "that good" of a producer? or vice versa?
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Hmmm... I wouldn't say that.

I don't think there are two classes of "producers" period. "Album cut" shouldn't mean a sacrifice in quality or vice versa.

I think every "producer" should strive to put his or her best foot forward. Putting terms like "album cut" and "single cut" only seems to be another way of saying "good" vs. "bad" without hurting anyones feelings.

BTW this is my first time hearing these terms so maybe they haven't made it down here yet.
 
i guess the reason i pose the question is . . .

1) i c myself as an album cut producer - the songs i make
(music compositoin wise - not the lyrics)
are - to me - not those that have that "magic" umphf - 2 B-kkum a radio hit

but thats not to say that i dont make tracks that i feel are "good" - i usually think of them as tracks for true hip hop fans - as opposed to the generic "rap" fan

{and i know such labels can easily digress into a word-war
about what is hip hop vs. rap - im not tryin to re-hash the
Nelly/KRS controversy)

- but i get the "Best" response to my music from people who really enjoy listening to music for its "concepts" and "messages" if you will - i call these people hip hop fans . . . or the "album cut" audience (public enemy back in the day referred to them as the B-side audience. growing up i was never even interested in an artist's single - i wanted to hear "the b-side" track - thats what was REALLY goin down!!!
where as those people who just like "whatever is hot" the "single" or "rap" fan - tend to stray away from "most" of my music

so all in all i figure - i am a, album cut producer - a B-sider (i think im feelin the makings of a song comin on - lol

at the same time, i know some dudes who make great "singles" but their concept songs are . . . just not . . . "hittin" . . . they are i guess "single" or "hit makers" -
 
imo the difference comes with the artist not the producer...... its more about the content and direction of each single record you kno...... so any producer can make a single and the greatest producers can have their joints just be album cuts...... and a lot of it ends up being how big u are..... once you get to the timbo or dr dre or neptunes level when acts come to you they're pretty much looking for singles.... doesnt mean thats what u are tho.....
 
its the process together thats makes a single and album cut... if the beat and lyrics are right together and have alot of people feelin it..it has a strong possibility to be a single..if not but its still has a good vibe that bring life to a album its on there...

its just not the producer or just the artist..its everything put together...IMO
 
bknot1 said:
its the process together thats makes a single and album cut... if the beat and lyrics are right together and have alot of people feelin it..it has a strong possibility to be a single..if not but its still has a good vibe that bring life to a album its on there...

its just not the producer or just the artist..its everything put together...IMO
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I like this one.
 
well...

i concider myself a producer in the vein of kanye or quincy jones in that i make music for the sake of good/great music for the betterment of the people and enjoyment of every1...if it becomes a single so be it if not it doesn't make it crap by any means ya kno
 
Gotta chime in. I thinknk the single producer relies more on making a beat and not a song like bknot says hip hop 4 bars no more needed. I personally think you have to use the two as a tool like the hooker standing out side the strip club she lures you in to see the rest. the single brings you to the artist/producer then the album shows the depth of talent in the art. I have a mob of 4 bar songs that are hot but some of them dont make the cut because all they are are 4 bars. the perfect culmination of both styles is dj quik. his singles can get you but his albums can keep you because they are grown so to speak and rich with composition and idea. So i think everybody has both in them but once you decide which way you like going determines the quality of what you accomplish measured against your goals and your goals only. I got a million 4 bars of fire but I want my music to do more than exist as 4 bars.
 
I think there's more to it than a single producer or an album producer. What the producer might think is a hit, the artist could hear that and totally disagree. I know I've heard a lot of songs that sound nice when it's all put together, but when you hear the beat or the acapella itself, you're like wtf?!?!?!?

The lyrics plus the beat can make a hit (unless you're one of those bitches D12 talked about that only listen to the beat and not hear the lyrics), but it could also make a not so polished turd in the same breath.

Fiev.
 
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