problem with my setup.

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i a intending on getting a yamaha mg24/14 mixing desk, as ive heard there great desks to work with. i will be hooking this up to some kind of multiple input soundcard, possibly one from the delta series. then using ntracks and acid, i will be processing it all etc etc.

the one problem with this mixer is that it has no direct outs. only 1/4 and xlr ins, and inserts. ive had suggested to me different ways of overcoming this problem, submixing, making use of the desks many groups. also, using the inserts and connecting them only half way in, so they act like direct outs.

both would work, but there are also downsides to both.

the first option, submixing into a group, would mean that i loose all chance of creating seperate tracks for each drum mic within the multitracking software, as all of the signals from each microphone are going to be fed into one channel.

the second option, with the inserts is a little more confusing. although the insert socket comes after the eq knobs (i checked on the circuity diagrams in the owners manual) it comes before the fader and the panning. this would make the fader and the panning knob void, making it pointless for them to even be there! although the gain knob can be used as a kind of volume control. any ideas?!
 
drummersteve said:
the first option, submixing into a group, would mean that i loose all chance of creating seperate tracks for each drum mic within the multitracking software, as all of the signals from each microphone are going to be fed into one channel.

No, this is not the case. That mixer has 4 group busses in addition to the main stereo buss. That gives you 10 seperate outputs right there, each feeding a seperate track in your daw.

Say you want to record 2 mics onto seperate tracks.
Mics go into mixer channels 1 & 2. At the bottom of each channel are the group buss assignment buttons. Select Group 1-2 on both channels.
Hard pan channel 1 left, hard pan channel 2 right.
Run the Group 1-2 outputs into Inputs 1 & 2 of your sound card.
Arm tracks 1 & 2 of your recording s/w & record.
Mic 1 is recorded on track 1, mic 2 on track 2.

If those 10 outputs aren't enough, you've still got another half dozen aux buses to play with before you have to consider using the inserts
 
drummersteve said:
the second option, with the inserts is a little more confusing. although the insert socket comes after the eq knobs (i checked on the circuity diagrams in the owners manual) it comes before the fader and the panning. this would make the fader and the panning knob void, making it pointless for them to even be there! although the gain knob can be used as a kind of volume control. any ideas?!

What would you need the pans for? What you are trying to do is get each mic to a separate track, the pan control is needed only if you use the busses like bulls hit was saying. Same with the fader.
The other option is to use the aux sends a recording busses (depending on how many there are)

If you look at the back of the board, you will find a ton of outputs. Any of these (except the headphone jack) can be used to send a signal to the recorder. Use any and all of them to do what you have to do, there is no wrong way.
 
yeh thats true, me and my friend were getting very confused after looking at the signal routing diagrams, but weve figured it all out (thanks to help from you guys too!) and theres no problems now.

after all my research, were now going through each part of the signal chain deciding what is best for me to get, after this then drawing up a list of what i need. thanks again guys, Steve
 
If you get something with as many 'outs' as 'ins' then you can run your entire mix back through your mixer, channel to channel, and do a real physical mixdown either to a separate recorder (such as ADAT) or back to a new track on your PC. Can be good if you like the hands-on type of mixing.
 
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