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Pro Tools free allows you to save a mixdown of individual trax to allow a real time hassle free mix but do Logic Audio, and Qubase do the same. I have a delta 1010, but want to find out which is the best s/ware to run with it?
 
definitely not ptfree.

It sounds good, but,It is a huge limitation and the midi is not unfrustrating.
I would suggest to get vegas for audio only. It is easy,easy to learn and fast, fast to make music(if you don't need midi sequencing i.e)

If you need midi sequencing, get Logic delta from midiman. It works in a heartbeat.

peace
 
Logic kicks ass. I haven't used Vegas so I can't comment on it, but it sounds like it's easier to learn than Logic. Logic has a steep learning curve for a lot of things, but it's great once you know what you're doing. It does allow you to do the individual track mix-down thing you're talking about. I didn't like Cubase when I tried it, but I can't remember specifically why :).
 
Hi,
Are you talking about automation?
The mixing fuctions and automation are better laid out and perhaps even sound better in PT than cubase or other apps, but with pro tools free's 8 track limitation I think those advantages are crossed out.I have heard though that theres a cough cough "special" cough cough pro tools le floating about that doesnt have these limitations and will work with your soundcard. I dont know where youd find this ummm... "special" version though, so dont ask me.

I might add that Vegas is a fine choice as would be Cool edit for audio work. For midi and audio together of course theres Logic, Cubase, and Cakewalk. To answer your original question, yes these apps have many of the same automation and mixing functions, but its presented in a less intuitive manner.

I cant really reccomend wich you'd want, there is a demo of cubaes at steinbergs site though. Playing with then demo I must say I think its impressive. Logic is sort of the be all end all sequencing program and its audio side aint bad either. Cakewalk is simple and stable.
 
I've since found out that the 1010 is bundled with Logic Delta, but although I can monitor the 1010 output, I cannot even set up the logic inputs / o/ps as the Manual suggests. It aint in the flippin manual. Am tearing my hair out. I can't even activate all 8 tracks to record together. the manual says click on em, etc - but only 1 activates at any time. I'm gonna faint with exhaustion.

Where can i set the input / outputs like the 1010 manuals makes sound so simple?

How on earth can i record 1 track (let alonne the 8 i eventually need to convert all my old 1/4 inch reels)?

Cheers for any help on this!
 
Since Cool Edit Pro was mentioned I have to throw in my two cents on it. I used CEP when I first built my DAW and it is definitely the easiest program out there to learn and use. HOWEVER (and this is a bigass however), 1) the effects are not realtime and must be applied to the actual files one at a time, and 2) it crashed fairly frequently. No realtime effects makes it almost useless for doing any serious recording. After shopping around a bit I switched to Logic Audio, which hasn't crashed on me *ever* in Windows 98 or ME (had some problems in Win2k but I believe it was because of the beta MOTU ASIO driver I was using). All the effects are realtime and non-destructive, just like all editing operations in the Arrange window (Logic's name for where you see all the tracks with the waveform views in them).
 
smashing pumpkin,

Logic Delta is not the easiest to set up with the delta 1010. The only reason I got it was because I had been using the delta 1010 with vegas for some time.

Ok.

Load Logic and make sure that you are using the asio drivers for delta 1010. Anything else will not work.

It will probably tell you to reboot logic. Reboot, and go to hardware preferences. Click on control panel which will take you to the delta 1010 control panel and unmute ALL (for now) your inputs. For some freakish reason, logic mutes all inputs except 1 and 2.

Also unmute all outputs(for now) and make sure that wav out 1-2 is set to the monitor mixer.

Set your asio/easi buffer to a high number, as too low a number might cause problems.

Click done to return to Logic Delta.

Create a new audio track.

press control-m in windows to go to the mixer, and record enable the track. on inputs, chooose the input you want to record from, and do the same for as many audio tracks as you wish to record, choosing the right input for each track

choose if you want stereo tracks or mono.

on the transport, click play.

you should be recording.

peace
 
Cheers to all, specially CyanJaguar. It took a little fumbling but I got there with your help. That manual for the 1010 is hideous. Am recording all the old 8 track stuff but can i ask a question or two?

If a track is lagging say 40 - 50 mS can i adjust it using Logic Delta to bring it in sync?

Also I am running a free version of Sonic Foundry ACID express, it won't let me save, but can I record the loops into LDelta, if yes how??

Again thanks
 
hi smashingpumpkin,

Yes, if a track is out of sync, you can bring it in sync with the others with the nudge tool.

Maximize the windows by pushing ctrl + so that you can see what you are doing.

I have not had to do this yet, but I will mess with it today and let you know exactly how it is done.

Now that you have got everything working, go back to the delta 1010 contol panel and set your asio buffer as low as possible and see if it works.

I have mine set on 336 samples, and it works with no latency.

The free version of sonic foundry acid should let you save files, as long as you choose express on startup and not the full trial.

I'll get back to you tomorrow.
peace man,


by the way, I just love the way logic delta sounds. Its awesome.
 
hi smashingpumpkin,

just grab the first track and pull it forward till they sync. I am wishing that there is a way to nudge, but I am yet to find it. Maybe its in the sample editor.

peace
 
thnx cyan
i feel embarrased asking u so much bout dlogic but is there an easy way to change the speed a song plays back?

i tried using the tempo input on the transport window but it makes no difference m8
cheers
 
I have not found a way to change the speed of audio. Midi tempo can be changed in the transport, but I don't know how to change audio tempo.

It is also not advisable to change audio speed, as it degrades the sound.

hey man, we are both learning how to use this software, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Right now I am trying to know how to put in program changes in a way that my jv1010 will understand. Very frustrating because our version of logic does not have the environment.

peace
 
cheers cyan

Could u change the tempo by importing a faster bar or two of drums, then using the 'set global tempo by object' setting? Just a thought I will test it tomorrow

Don't you think the manual with LD is pretty poor? No detail, and leaves out important detail.

eg It took me over a week (reading manual and trial and error) to suss the plug-ins are set up by the mixing channels on the far right, and not the two buttons above the pan / volume labels on the far left.

I just wish they'd tested the manual on people who weren't involved in making it. the important detail is missing

cheers
tonyg
 
hey,

did you get the tempo thing going. I know it can be done with ptFree so I hope it can be done with logic.

Did you notice the crappiness of the manual too? They have things in there that don't even exist in the program, like the little telescope that is supposed to increase track size. I just do ctrl +

Also, they talked about h , m, and L in the track eq, but how do they expect me to figure out what F(frequency )is and what band it works on.

Those guys did a poor job of representing a good program.
 
tempo

Cyan
Tried it but no joy yet, but will give it another go. There must be something like that which is so useful to a home recorder on this prog

will contact log delta people if no success, and pass it on to u.

Have you come across a situation where u need to add a drum track to a song that u have recorded on 8 track, and have downloaded to Ldelta? At present the bars of the song are not in sync to bars of arranger. So guess I must suss out a way to do that before adding drum loop, any light?

cheers
smash
 
hi smashing pumpkin,

I am not sure, but I think that you can make them line up by changing the midi tempo in the transport window. It has a default of 120 bpms, so if the file you imported is 85 bpms, changing the tempo to 85 bpms will bring them in time, and also allow the click to be in sync with your previously recorded 8track files.

I am going to do a small project this weekend in Logic. I hope that I can find the tempo change thing.

peace man
 
I just found this one out:
the scissors tool is a good thing. You can slice up a file, and move the different parts(regions) to exactly where you want them.

For more precise moving, in win, hold alt while you drag the region to move it by single clicks.

For even more precise movement, double click the region and move it in the sample editor.
 
another good tip - cheers cyan

Cyan
Am on Delta all this weekend so should progress the tempo biz.
One idea is mix the song and produce as a wav, then feed that into ProTools Free which will definitely speed up the tempo.
Have been on line to M Audio, but only directed me to basic web walk throughs that i'd seen already. i replied saying this and they said i was beyond email help, and to phone help desk, SHEESH

will post any new ideas back l8r this weekend
 
cyan how r things?

I spoke to Logic Delta people, and got a print of the infamous manual.

re: changing tempo, best response was use a time stretch tool - disadvantage is cost for a good one. However he suggests using Acid Xpress on the finished article, as this will adjust tempo within limits and is free.

Do you know how to mix down all the tracks into a wav file suitable for converting to *.cda format??

Is a wav file or mpg3 a better source. I am assuming wav is best as it has more data, disadvantage = HDD usage

Am going to try a mixdown tonight. Why didn't LDelta come with a save as .. wav option? It would be so much easier

regards
 
congratulations on the tempo thing.

About the mixdown: Is'nt it disturbing that a program as awesome as logic does not have a save as .wav ?

THe way to get the wav file is to go to the mixer screen, and then locate your master. At the bottom of the master channel is the "bnce" button. click on it.

Since you are using the delta 1010, you have 4 masters( I think) 1-2, 3-4, 5-6,and 7-8.

Make sure all your tracks are outputting to one master as only the sound from that master gets bounced. I think the default is 1-2.

It will bounce as it plays the song. no mixdown in memory, Logic still uses the realtime thing.

peace.

wav is far better as a source for the final .cda file. It contains more information and sounds better.

Remember, to burn the file to cd, it has to be in 16/44.1 format. I usually record at 24/48 or 24/96. the bounce has the option of converting to 16 bits, but I have to then use another program to convert from 48 down to 44.1

peace
 
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