Pro Tools Logic Is The Best!

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Do you think Pro Tools Logic the best system?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 6.5%

  • No

    Votes: 31 67.4%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 12 26.1%
  • Total voters
    46
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That's what my friend keeps telling me. He's saying it beats ANY digital or analoge system ever in all aspects. I haven't worked with it yet so I can't say that it is or it isn't so what do you think? I still think if I had big money I'd go w/ analoge or both.
 
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Pro Tools, and Logic Audio are two completely different apps.

Your poll makes no sense. :eek:
 
His cousion is using Logic with Pro Tools.
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That makes sense. People have been doing that for years. Mostly due to PT's weak MIDI, and Logic's somewhat complicated audio.

What does his cousin think?

I like PT, but then I don't do any MIDI. PT's audio is easy to learn yet very powerful. MIDI is basic at best.

Logic is it's own animal. It's unlike any other app. Completely customizeable, but very hard to learn. Those that have learned it swear by it. Others swear at it.

Which you prefer is completely dependent on how you like to work. Sound quality between DAWs is a non-issue IMHO. All the top apps can sound good.
 
I was about 1 year away from my Pro Tools system.
Worked strictly with friend’s SSL and hired Neve on few occasions.

Until they develop some serious employ of nano technology, superb built hardware with equal selection in both active and passive elements will not be easily mimic
with any DSP box & software. Present laws of reality.

However when one gets too long in one environment like P.Tools, he might assume that - quote : "it beats and digital or analog system ever"

How can you match dedicated 2 channel module (Neve) or 8 channel module (SSL,Euphonix,Amek…) and power supply larger then life with a few DSP boxes in P.Tools?

Over the years heard so many albums made completely on P.Tools (24Mix+) and one thing always comes to my mind : Sterile !!!

Few years ago Jean Michel Jare decided to temporary leave behind his trusted SSL9000, and even mastering was done with P.Tools. Everything is clean,transparent, good localization, but general sense is Sterile !!! No fear he will ever do this on next albums.

Although Digi would like everyone to think otherwise, real power of P.Tools is in beautiful editing power and internal synergy of all things combined. But when it comes to converters,not in 3 lifetimes will be able touch sound of true analog masters like Neve or best from digital.

However, results are the only real proof of what is possible or not.

Hunger to make creation in any form has always prove that greatest thing in history of art always came from poverty and simple forms. It is up to your creativity to prove them wrong.

So, don’t take this as some kind of elite voyage in arrogance, just qualitative sphere of sound P.Tools is not able to touch. You can think of great analog console like converter with infinite rate

As long as you are not seriously toying with idea to master on P.Tools, everything else is more then joy to make on Pro Tools.

It is like giving to a complete amateur who has no knowledge of photography a Nikon F4 or EOS1 camera. On other side Pro photographer can take idiot camera and make better shots.

Only thing in hands of that amateur is better resolution, but knowledge of pro will compensate that in better finished result. So I would rather have legend Bruce Sweiden on P.Tools then Being all alone at SSL Axiom :)
 
in my opinion, if you don't care much about MIDI go with Pro Tools. But if you want to someday implement MIDI into your Productions maybe think about Cubase SX the audio editing is pretty good and the MIDI functions are good (best of both worlds) If you know P Tools, then learning SX will take you no time at all. (well it didn't take me long and i started on protools and logic) i hope this helps, if not im sorry!!
 
Anthony said:
I was about 1 year away from my Pro Tools system.
Worked strictly with friend’s SSL and hired Neve on few occasions.
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you hired neve!?? I'd love to shake your hand.....from a pop music guitar player/songwriter, i love their stuff and would love to meet them

anyway

i tried that protools free and i was surprised by the clarity.....the bass hit me in the gut on the kick drum. as for protools alone....i would buy it if i could afford it but I'm so used to sonar that i feel safer with it.
 
Anthony said:
Over the years heard so many albums made completely on P.Tools (24Mix+) and one thing always comes to my mind : Sterile !!!
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that's the fault of the engineer then.... if you can't make a mix sound warm in the digital realm, then you're not very good are you... i've heard straight analogue mixes sound like ass, and i've heard digital mixes sound like they came straight off of 2"... it's all in what techniques you use...

but personally i don't like pro tools... the surround mixing is difficult as hell, they're not set up for 3rd party dsp cards (specifically the UAD-1 card) and it's too damn expensive for what you get... for a fraction of the price you can get a full nuendo/ cubase system and it will smoke pro tools...

thanks but i don't want to spend $15k on a system that is inferior to a $4k system... but mabye that's just me...
 
biotek,

You have to understand as I said earlier I’m talking about highest qualitative levels, not in general.

And warm is not something I associate with Sterile as opposite, I meant with all gadgets ON, P.Tools just sounds sterile when compared to big league outboard equipment and with same caliber analog ones, no comparison for my ears.

Far from suggesting you can make good results with Digi, of course you can. But I hope you can understand that when you hear ‘money no object’ analog desk with custom dedicated outboard equipment it just can’t be touched by Pro Tools. Even finest SSL and Euphonix Digital console
range always refer in their product literature : As close to big analog as possible, …we managed to get closer then ever capturing the essence of great analog consoles -

Sony and Philips are now openly presenting in product announcement of SACD why they made the same : We wanted to finally get into territory of uncompromised sound of the finest analog turntables

This is something any serious (even those dedicated to digital only) audiophile knew for a long time.

It was known for a long time that RED BOOK standard (44.1) offers (depending on transfer) even up to 15% less resolution then RED Book CD. Many CD owners realized that when Atkinson of Stereophile and many other (audiophile and classical plants) many times had to make masters available LP, because artist and engineer just couldn’t get on CD what they heard on master.

I know a guy in Germany who made 2 albums entirely with Cubase and Yamaha 02 mixer.

I mean everything, ready for duplication. From his perspective Pro Tools is overpriced nonsense,He considers anyone crazy who would (like me) hire Neve or similar desk.

So you see, it just depends on personal preferences. I bet someone who will make big break in industry in a few months or a year, right now is using plain SB with some borrowed synth and thinks of Yamaha 02 as fantasy.

I understand that big consoles and outboard equipment is expensive and makes many people angry,also truth be told there are many overpriced equipment out there as well, fact!

But everyone always moves to bigger when he can afford the same.

If you ever hear the sound of these systems you will understand why. :)
 
oh i've worked on a full size neve capricorn at the CBC Glen Gould studio, Euphonics and a Neve SSL... i'm not comming to the table ignorant of that type of sound... what i was trying to illustrate is that it is possible to create amazing mixes entirely within the digital realm... although i do like to have an analogue front end for tracking purposes, i much prefer to do my mixing within the digital realm... my other point is that pro tools is way over priced.. the only system that would be of use to me is the HD system, and it costs $15k and in my opinion, it is an inferior system to boot...
 
I agree completely on your view of flexibility of digital domain, no dispute there.

In fact, analog desks also wanted to be present in recent years as interactive more then before.

I also love digital domain and promise the same can deliver.

But many times promise remains just a promise in case of Pro Tools. I loved Euphonix CS2000. It was in my experience best marriage of analog desk combined with full digital power and control and for the first time in my memory there was no expense or penalty in sound quality.

Far from it, exactly CS2000 made reputation for Euphonix. If they would give me their system 5 for free, I would rather use CS2000, sound with more substance. They don’t like to hear this, but many customers came back from recent systems back to CS2000, fantastic desk.

I also agree with you on Pro Tools issue, once while speaking at German Messe (Frankfurt show) with ex. Digidesign engineer, he told me : "What we sell these days is knowledge with overpriced boxes. I thought names like Soundscape would make stronger competition and force Digi to go down with prices, but alas, they even went higher.

Have you heard about Soundscape? Very nice mixture of Synclavier and Fostex DAW combined in very likable interface with fantastic sound. I also liked Paris (Ensoniq)

Paris was in some cases even better sounding then 882 box.

But then I’ve came to conclusion…there are better programs then Autocad, but none have databases of models and collective user input, so choice is clear.

Digi came first, strong roots are present and it would take something very unique to push him from that present position.

Sadly, result of this is although excellent quality lurks in those boxes, once you open them you know they are more then overpriced. It is knowledge and position that they are really charging these days.

I like the most concept of MOTU, beside Digi, they really made in very short time very interesting concepts, opening whole new territory of possibilities. If only they would sound better.
 
i agree with you it all basically comes down to knowledge and skill good gear does not guarentee a good product...

oh and have you looked into RME?? check their shit out... amazing converters and 34 channels on the multiface card... unreal
 
RME? Never heard of them... How do their coverters compare to Apongee or Lucid converters? And what about the prices of RME; under or over priced?
 
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oh and have you looked into RME?? check their shit out... amazing converters and 34 channels on the multiface card... unreal
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Yes I have, in fact if I’m not mistaking they have even higher interface card protocol.

They’ve designed custom proprietary format that can pass 56 (64?) channels in one single cable.

MADI is the name of that standard, this I know for sure.

What is very serious and interesting Sony is as we speak considering making that standard permanent for his digital line of desk products and it is certain Tascam is not relaxed about this fact also.

Anyone here who is or will read this topic and is considering Pro.Tools, seriously consider and read this :

Soundscape : http://www.sydec.be/

*Guaranteed 32 track count regardless of the number of effects plug-ins or other Windows applications being used: 32 tracks !!! *

……..And this is just beginning !…………………………………………………………………………

The have been designing entire interface and technology based on Synclavier DAW, and that is not something to be taken as light solution :)

Link : http://www.rme-audio.com/english/index.htm


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How do their coverters compare to Apongee
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Nothing can touch domain of Apogee converters (top of the line PRO models)

They came first and at least 2 years ahead of anything in technology (digital domain)

Even SSL and Euphonix with their proprietary solutions are
at best equal (although this is debatable)

Link : http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/

This however, is the best money can buy, period :

http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/Ddcs.htm

This technology is so advanced that they even stepped in audiophile consumer territory and made a lot of headache to Wadia, Mark Levinson ,Theta because brought technology that is ahead of all theirs combined.

Sounds fantastic, even Analog designers spoke about them as first thing to be equal of finest analog front ends.
 
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If digidesign were'nt a bunch of bastards, I would say its a good combo.
 
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