GOODLAND
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I was wondering if anyone has bought Pro Tools LE 7.0 yet. It looks like it willl be a significant change from the 6.x versions. Is it worth the $75 or not? Thanks.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, its not worth $75. Its worth $99.
You do realize that you can get $1100 worth of plugins for the $25 extra, right? I grabbed the Pultecs and DINR in addition to the upgrade- and got v.6 versions of the plugs as well. Its worth the upgrade even if you never install v.7. Get the PLUS upgrade. Now.
But, to the point: yes, there are some significant changes. I haven't really used it enough to be exhaustive in my analysis, but here it is so far:
1) 32 aux busses up from 16. Huge increase in mixing capability.
2) 10 sends instead of just 5.
3) The program loads faster and runs a bit snappier even on the same computer.
4) I haven't used it yet, but being able to group sections of the song and move them around is a godsend for arranging and preproduction work.
There are some rearrangements to the menus, but its not so different that it'll slow you down for more than a couple days. There were vague hints from Digi that single processor computers may have *lower* plugin counts even though the dual processor machines should have much higher counts- so far this is not true for the sessions I've opened. They all work fine with no difference in CPU usage. I haven't exhaustively tested it, though.
Take care,
Chris
You do realize that you can get $1100 worth of plugins for the $25 extra, right? I grabbed the Pultecs and DINR in addition to the upgrade- and got v.6 versions of the plugs as well. Its worth the upgrade even if you never install v.7. Get the PLUS upgrade. Now.
But, to the point: yes, there are some significant changes. I haven't really used it enough to be exhaustive in my analysis, but here it is so far:
1) 32 aux busses up from 16. Huge increase in mixing capability.
2) 10 sends instead of just 5.
3) The program loads faster and runs a bit snappier even on the same computer.
4) I haven't used it yet, but being able to group sections of the song and move them around is a godsend for arranging and preproduction work.
There are some rearrangements to the menus, but its not so different that it'll slow you down for more than a couple days. There were vague hints from Digi that single processor computers may have *lower* plugin counts even though the dual processor machines should have much higher counts- so far this is not true for the sessions I've opened. They all work fine with no difference in CPU usage. I haven't exhaustively tested it, though.
Take care,
Chris
GOODLAND
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Thanks, just what I needed to hear. 
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modson
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Pt 7
Hi, I upgraded a couple of days ago and have not used PT7 for more than an hour because ive been away
I did notice though hat I opened a track which i have been mixing which WAS stuttering a little on 6.9.2 was running smoothly on 7. I am only using a mac mini with 1.42 Ghz and 1GB Ram. So far V. Impressed - obviously. Itoo went for the Pultecs but got the Smack LE instead. Cant wait to really put it through some paces.
Cheers
Chris
Hi, I upgraded a couple of days ago and have not used PT7 for more than an hour because ive been away
I did notice though hat I opened a track which i have been mixing which WAS stuttering a little on 6.9.2 was running smoothly on 7. I am only using a mac mini with 1.42 Ghz and 1GB Ram. So far V. Impressed - obviously. Itoo went for the Pultecs but got the Smack LE instead. Cant wait to really put it through some paces.
Cheers
Chris
BrettB
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GOODLAND said:
Hey goodland, you can always check for the opinions in the articles on www.protoolsforum.com.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I may be daft, but I just scored Smack! and Slightly Rude Compressor for an additional $99. That's...what?.. an 88% discount?
I looked over the information on the site and nowhere does it say you can only buy one plus package. I have 2 interfaces, anyway, so....what the hell.
-Chris
I looked over the information on the site and nowhere does it say you can only buy one plus package. I have 2 interfaces, anyway, so....what the hell.
-Chris
bennychico11
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Chris Shaeffer said:
you know, that's a good find Chris. might be a way to beat the system.
of course you can only use them with PT...but not a big deal for most of us.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Benny- I do the vast bulk of my work in PT. I have Cubase SX2 for more tracks and video work should I need it, but its pretty rare. Rare enought that I'm Cubase still feels pretty foreign even though its what I started on years back.
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modson
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oh no...Please dont start a "my sequencer's better than yours..." debate!
P.S. PT Rules (lol)
P.S. PT Rules (lol)
J
Juggernaut
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Woohoo good to hear the upgrade is worth it! (probably would have done it anyway for the plug-ins though)
So any recomendations on which plug-ins to get?
Also do you need to have an ilock for the plug-ins, cause I don't have one yet.
So any recomendations on which plug-ins to get?
Also do you need to have an ilock for the plug-ins, cause I don't have one yet.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, the Pultecs rock. Period. I've never heard the real ones but I'm very pleased with what these plugs do. Great mixing tools.
So far SRC has been glitchy. I can tell it'll probably have some useful sounds and a good deal of variations- but it likes to spike the CPU and make me have to reset the DAE.
Haven't tried tracking down why, yet. It may be something simple- or a V.7 bug that will be resolved sooner or later.
Smack LE. Haven't put it through its paces, but... I have a feeling it'll come in handy. Again, good control, decent sound and seems pretty variable. If you don't have any other non-stock compressors and you want one I'd go for this over the SRC- but again I haven't resolved the CPU thing with the SRC so I can't really give you a valid comparison yet.
DINR- not as easy to use as the demo of X-noise I've played around with before, but at $25 you can hardly beat the price. It seems to work on a similar principle and appears to have more controls. It doesn't matter too much to me that its AS only- X-noise had so much latency added to it that it was a pain to use on individual tracks anyway. Too much CPU, as well, to use too many instances, anyway. I got DINR to have a noise redux tool - at this price its the only one I can afford.
I can't speak to Synchronic. If I use loops I use reason... and I rarely use loops. (shrug)
Take care,
Chris
So far SRC has been glitchy. I can tell it'll probably have some useful sounds and a good deal of variations- but it likes to spike the CPU and make me have to reset the DAE.
Haven't tried tracking down why, yet. It may be something simple- or a V.7 bug that will be resolved sooner or later. Smack LE. Haven't put it through its paces, but... I have a feeling it'll come in handy. Again, good control, decent sound and seems pretty variable. If you don't have any other non-stock compressors and you want one I'd go for this over the SRC- but again I haven't resolved the CPU thing with the SRC so I can't really give you a valid comparison yet.
DINR- not as easy to use as the demo of X-noise I've played around with before, but at $25 you can hardly beat the price. It seems to work on a similar principle and appears to have more controls. It doesn't matter too much to me that its AS only- X-noise had so much latency added to it that it was a pain to use on individual tracks anyway. Too much CPU, as well, to use too many instances, anyway. I got DINR to have a noise redux tool - at this price its the only one I can afford.
I can't speak to Synchronic. If I use loops I use reason... and I rarely use loops. (shrug)
Take care,
Chris
J
Juggernaut
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Nice, looks like I'll hit up the pultec bundle and the smack compressor with my plus bundle. (unless your issue gets resolved and the SRC turns out to be really nice that is) I love my protools Digi002 now and with the new optimizations and my new Dual Core PC I should be rockin' once I get V.7
Any word on whether or not these require the ilok? If possible I'd prefer not to slap down the extra $40 for one.
Any word on whether or not these require the ilok? If possible I'd prefer not to slap down the extra $40 for one.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup- iLok required for the plugs. 
And every version of PT now *except* LE. Why they decided to make HD system require an iLok is beyond me. An HD rig has got to be one of the most expensive dongles on the face of the earth.
That's been enough to keep me from buying any plugins for the past year since I had a Factory ilok stolen and not a single manufacturer would replace my lost authorizations. At the time no insurance companies would insure iLoks for more than $40 and no plugin companies would replace lost or stolen auths. WTF? For all that I travel with my system it would be stupid to pour more money into the iLok system again unless that changed.
But at this price I couldn't pass it up. Maybe things have changed, as well. I'm still not planning on spending any more on it until I know that I can insure it for the full value of the plugs. If its lost or stolen your only option is to REBUY the plugs at full price.
Take care,
Chris
And every version of PT now *except* LE. Why they decided to make HD system require an iLok is beyond me. An HD rig has got to be one of the most expensive dongles on the face of the earth. That's been enough to keep me from buying any plugins for the past year since I had a Factory ilok stolen and not a single manufacturer would replace my lost authorizations. At the time no insurance companies would insure iLoks for more than $40 and no plugin companies would replace lost or stolen auths. WTF? For all that I travel with my system it would be stupid to pour more money into the iLok system again unless that changed.
But at this price I couldn't pass it up. Maybe things have changed, as well. I'm still not planning on spending any more on it until I know that I can insure it for the full value of the plugs. If its lost or stolen your only option is to REBUY the plugs at full price.
Take care,
Chris
blueroommusic
you want this big boy?
Question:
How do all you LE users deal with the plug-in delay compensation without going nuts? I bought an Mbox at one point just to have PT, and it fucking drove me nuts; so I was wondering if they fixed that or not. It's really about the only reason I don't use it. anyways, ce la vie.
and by the way, real pultec eq's are "the shit", and I could never be satisfied with the plug-in.
I hope I didn't come off as a hater, cause everybody's gotta do their own thing, but in my opinion digi is just a bunch of monopolizing bastards. Granted, everyone and their brother knows what PT is, and hardly any of those would trust a studio that runs Sonar, Cubase, etc.
anyhow...good luck with the PT7; let me know about the plug-in delay compensation and whether or not they've fixed that yet. thanks
How do all you LE users deal with the plug-in delay compensation without going nuts? I bought an Mbox at one point just to have PT, and it fucking drove me nuts; so I was wondering if they fixed that or not. It's really about the only reason I don't use it. anyways, ce la vie.
and by the way, real pultec eq's are "the shit", and I could never be satisfied with the plug-in.
I hope I didn't come off as a hater, cause everybody's gotta do their own thing, but in my opinion digi is just a bunch of monopolizing bastards. Granted, everyone and their brother knows what PT is, and hardly any of those would trust a studio that runs Sonar, Cubase, etc.
anyhow...good luck with the PT7; let me know about the plug-in delay compensation and whether or not they've fixed that yet. thanks
bennychico11
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blueroommusic said:
Which plugins were you running?
There is, actually, plugin delay compensation already in Pro Tools LE. It's part of the hardware buffer settings in the setup menu. Setting the HW buffer settings higher than the amount of sample delay you are getting with the plugin should take care of the delay. Unfortuantely if you're using a plugin that has a crap load of delay, this will only take care of part of the problem. And in that case you can always just nudge the track back in time.
And for what it's worth, Avid/Digidesign is not, in the true sense of the word a monopoly.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah- RTAS plugs already have ADC for the most part.
Its a little confusing, though, because some plugs that require more processing power than the ADC can account for are delayed. You don't know which ones they are, usually, until you try. For the most part, meat and potatoes RTAS plugs introduce no delay.
Its easy enough to account for, though, if they do. PT will tell you how much delay is on any given channel and you just shift that track that number of samples back.
Why they haven't made this automatic as an option is WAY beyond me. Especially since we're all asking for it. The best software it is not. But it gets me work and I can't complain about that. I usually mix analog anyway, so the whole plugin delay thing is side-stepped. Its usually not a problem anyway, except with a few plugs.
Take care,
Chris
Its a little confusing, though, because some plugs that require more processing power than the ADC can account for are delayed. You don't know which ones they are, usually, until you try. For the most part, meat and potatoes RTAS plugs introduce no delay.
Its easy enough to account for, though, if they do. PT will tell you how much delay is on any given channel and you just shift that track that number of samples back.
Why they haven't made this automatic as an option is WAY beyond me. Especially since we're all asking for it.
The best software it is not. But it gets me work and I can't complain about that. I usually mix analog anyway, so the whole plugin delay thing is side-stepped. Its usually not a problem anyway, except with a few plugs.Take care,
Chris
reshp1
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Plugin delay is only really a problem with plugs that inherently have a TON of delay, like FIR filters and convolution. Plus if you are running outboard cards like the UAD-1, there will be significant delay not accounted for within the audio buffer setting. I've heard (I think from Bennychico, can you confirm?) that v7 will include the time adjuster plug, which was formerly TDM only. This will really help things a lot because it allows you to adjust the delayed track FORWARD, instead of EVERY OTHER TRACK backwards, a la the UAD-1 delay compensation plug.
bennychico11
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reshp1 said:
correct....at least that's what I've heard from other people. I still have yet to see version 7 for myself. But I will Thursday.
GOODLAND
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reshp1 said:
Sorry that i'm a little slow but why would you want to delay an audio track even more? Wouldn't that make it worse?
bennychico11
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GOODLAND said:
you're not delaying it...you're pushing it BACK in time so it plays ealier on the time line.
PT does take care of most plugin delay...however, like reshp said, there are plugins out there that induce a huge amount of delay. For compensation purposes, PT tells you in the mix window how much delay is being introduced (minus the already compensated portion). Therefore you push it BACK in the time line by that amount of samples so that that audio on the track hits the plugin sooner...and then is delayed. So when it comes out to your ears it's right in sync.
With the introduction of the time adjustor plugin for LE, this will let you do just this with on an insert....you'll be able to move the audio either forward or back in time without actually moving the audio regions.