Presonus, API, Great River, Vintech, and Mackie Preamp Shootout

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brandondrury said:
I agree that many musicians take their recording and music very very seriously. I know. I'm usually booked 2 monthes ahead. I've been doing the best I can with limited resources for a long time. I'm getting better and the clients are slowly getting happier. I must admit that most recording forums are eager to help. The tone on this forum is obviously different. Hell, the guys with platinum records at PSW were way more constructive in their criticisms.

I've read quite a few of your posts to Harvey's and Fletcher's forums, although I've never posted there. I agree that you've gotten some great responses to your posts by very knowledgeable and authorative voices in the biz. I've enjoyed reading that stuff.

Even faced with some harsh criticism in this thread, your tone in these posts is fairly laid back.

You linked us to a shootout designed as The Dumb Ass Home Recordists Guide to Selecting a Preamp for Crappy Playing.

OK, maybe there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from, so here we have something that might be more of an internet phenomenon than anything. Body language, tone of voice, eyebrows... sometimes these things don't translate well into the text-only world. Is this humour or an attitude? I honestly don't know. People will draw their own conclusions.

As for the preamp thing, you may have validated some peoples choices for going with less expensive gear. That's probably not such a bad thing, but if Dude never heard about gain hungry mics that really make the thing show its colours when you have to crank that volume thing up, what's the difference?

Possibly, none.

Possibly.

As to what can make a difference, it's all in the food chain.

Song
Performance
Guitar
Amp
Room acoustics
Mic positioning
Gain staging
Mic selection
Preamp
Recorder

In this imaginary chain, there's no outboard stuff which is probably another can of worms, but yeah, the preamp is pretty low on the chain. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's kind of how I look at it.

I've been wrong before.


sl
 
My Adenda? Hmm. I've never really thought of it in these terms.

I guess the biggest problem I have with recording is words. I mean, I hate the silly words that we all have to use to describe a mic, preamp, or snare drum. Words like "warm", "sterile", "depth", etc. My original goal for recordingreview.com was to post as many actual audio files on the site as possible to let people make their own decisions about a piece of gear. The problem is there are so many factors in the chain and this makes it impossible to create a scientific test. The best I can come up with is, "Well, this one time in this situation, I did this" and tell the situation in which it was done and let people grab a lesson.

So far, after 9 weeks of running recordingreview.com there have been a number of valuable posts. Some information I had never seen on any other forum. Probably the most valuable was the actual mathematical equations to use in order to induce intentional phase cancellation as an EQ. I'd never seen that on PSW or anywhere else.

I guess a part of my agenda is to shoot down many of the myths that are associated with recording. I know I covered my bedroom in carpet before I learned that carpet kills high end but leaves plenty of under 500Hz junk. I guess I want to help out the little guy just starting out. I don't fee like I'm qualified to give advice to anyone who really knows what they are talking about, but I can help a lot of people who are just starting.


Yes, there are plenty of recording websites out there. Sam Walton was told there were plenty of Woolworth stores out there and he didn't need to start Walmart. I have no delusions of ever making any real money with my recording site. I guess I started recordingreview.com for the same reason that anyone does anything.... because I wanted to. There are things that I think I could do differently than other sites and I think there is a niche that I could fill. Unfortunately, actually running a site is a ton of work and this certainly slows down the "goodies" that I can add to the site.

If anyone feels like the information that I have posted is flat out wrong, I'd love to discuss it. Sometimes I am wrong, but I try not to post something on the site unless I truely know what I'm talking about. I'm still very early in the recording process myself and always jump on the chance to learn more.

I guess, lastly, the last goal of my site is to create an environment where a person won't get destroyed for trying to do some good. I would never tolerate a person calling another person stupid without any supporting data behind it. My silly questions seam to be tolerated and even encouraged on PSW and I'd like to run my forum in a similar fashion.

Brandon
 
Remember this?

I knew the name was familiar. Last night I signed up for his forum so I could be the smartest one on there :). When I was at his studio's website this is what I read:

"10 Reasons To Record At Echo Echo Studios

1)$1000 Microphones
2)$1000 Preamps
3)$1000 Converters
4)You Get The Time To Do The Job Right
5)You Get an Experienced Audio Guy
6)You Get TWO Mixing Sessions
7)You Don't have to mess with Burning CD-Rs
8)You can put your Music Up on The Cape Girardeau Music Network
9)Get great deals on hosting through titlegoeshere.com hosting."

That alone made me look for him all over the internet because he's such a joke. I just revived this post thinking someone may get a laugh out of this joke of an "engineer."
 
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