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I know that the best idea is to be as "dry" as possible going into the computer, like just using a preamp. And it all makes sense, and I personally get better results that way. Then why is it that in pics of home studios and articles in mags like home recording and electronic musician, everyone has a nice rack (no pun intended) full of processing guts, and kanooter valves and such. What are they doing different that makes that work better with computer recording? Just curious. I guess I mean to ask, at what point do you start building a good rack.
 
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Outboard processing. Just like anywhere else. Many (most?) studios use the computer only as media (hard disk recording) and for editing.

And in other cases, there are still inserts, aux busses, etc. even if mixing "in the box" - With some studios, that's a lot of gear to just "forget about."

John Scrip - www.massivemastering.com
 
is the outboard processing for final mixdown, out of the computer, and if yes then why is it better than software?
 
Let's just say that although I can accomplish a lot "in the box" I'm not about to give up my optical tube compression and certain verb units...

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Guitarfreak,

The truth of the matter is that a lot of the outboard gear you see is simply there to impress people. And a lot of it is there because it sounds particularly good -- or gives a sound that can't otherwise be duplicated or faithfully imitated digitally.

There is a portion of any studio's potential market out there that simply doesn't believe that a good recording can be made unless there are lots of cool-looking gizmos with knobs and multi-colored LED's. And unfortunately, it's that very portion that often has the most money to spend, and that's kinda' what they look for.

There is also the reality that a lot of the outboard gear out there just gives a particular sound that is extremely useful. As an example, I personally happen to love the sound of analog compressors. In my opinion, they just seem to breath a degree of life in to a lot of tracks -- and many will impart a certain sound that just can't be done the same way with a plugin.

As for how it's being used, some people will use the processor on the way in to their DAW setup. These folks are either very daring or just very confident in the sounds they're getting. Some will track bone dry, and then run the tracks back out to their outboard gear and back in again before mixdown. What I like to do is run a certain track; i.e. usually vocal or snare drum, out to some of my outboard comps where I'll do some very radical compression. I'll record that to it's own track, and mix it in with the dry track . . . blending the dry and affected track untill I like what I'm hearing. This is a pretty popular method.

Reverbs and other outboard effects are a different story. Most plugin reverbs either suck or are woefully inferior to outboard units. And the ones that don't suck usually take up so much CPU that it's difficult to run very many instances without grinding their computer to a halt. There are a few ways around this; The UAD and TC cards, for instance, but even then you're still locked in to only a handful of options as far as reverbs and effects go.
 
cool, most of what you said I pretty much guessed. I thought they just made a "shnazzy" studio, so you'd go out and by rack stuff. As for everything else, very informative, but I have one question. I have plugins on my CEP, but the best one I've used so far was in Sonar; Timeworks. Now is timeworks good, and if it is do you know how to use it in my CEP, I can't seem to find it with my other plugins. And if it isn't good where can I get good ones. Money wise I just can't build a rack right now. thanx lots
 
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I have plugins on my CEP, but the best one I've used so far was in Sonar; Timeworks. Now is timeworks good, and if it is do you know how to use it in my CEP, I can't seem to find it with my other plugins.

Sonar has some very good plugins that come with it. Timeworks stuff is great, and if you've also got the ultrafunk plugs, then you'll be fine. You have plenty of stuff to work with that should get the job done.

As for getting them to work w/ CEP . . . bring up a track, select "effects" and then "Refresh Effects List" or whatever the command is on the very bottom. That might work.
 
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