Pops and clicks:

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I'm having quite a bit of problem as of late that I would really appreciate some assistance with. Let me start by telling you what I'm using.

First, I'm mixing down using Logic RPC (basically Logic Silver edition) and a Roland VM3100 Pro. This creates a 24 bit file which I take into my wave editor (GoldWave) and add 0.5 seconds of silence at the beginning and end of the track. I then take this track and burn it to CD using an HP CD burner using it's software (I forget the name). In between tracks I'm getting a very loud pop. I can't tell if it's at the end of the track or the beginning or the next track but it happens in between any tracks I burn to CD.

I know it would be difficult to give a definitive answer but what does this sound like to you? Is it possibly because of the 24 to 16 bit conversion? Could it be my CD recorder or its software causing this? Is a GoldWave a shitty editor that may be causing this?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Stray
 
It has to do with your CD-buring software.

I stopped getting it when I started using whatever software it is that comes standard with Windows XP. I used to have that Roxio crapola that came with my Hewlett-Packard burner and man, did that suck.

Oh no! The song's about to end. Plug your ears and get ready for that damm "pop!" :D And could it be any more of a grating sound on the ears ? ? ? ! My dog goes nuts when she hears that!
 
Chessrock, you just made my day. Burning software is the cheapest thing to replace. Any recommendations on what to use? I'm running ME.

You're right about the pop too. I sent a few demos out a couple weeks ago and one of the agencies I sent it to actually bitched me out for nearly blowing their "$1000 a piece Genelec monitors". Needless to say, I didn't impress them.

Any suggestions would be appeciated.

Stray
 
I bought a Phillips burner and the software wouldn't even load on my computer. Took it back and tried another Phillips of the same model...still wouldn't load. What a bunch of crap! Took it back again and bought a TDK for $100...works fine.
 
Stray, I tried to answer this the other day, but the damn board was too slow and I kept timing out.

There are several things that can cause pops, but they would usually be at random poits in the file. From what you are saying they only appear at the end on a sound file where you have made a cut. When you make a cut in a sound file, that cut must take place exactly at a "0" point, when the sound wave is not positive or negative. If you don't, you will introduce an audible "click". Most editing programs (I use Sound Forge) have a editing feature "snap to 0" so that when you make a cut, the editor actually makes the cut at the closet 0 point to what you selected. I don't use Goldwave, but I expect that is in there somewhere. You might want to check this out, it sure sounds like it could be your issue.
 
RWhite, this is very interesting. GoldWave is freeware editor and I've looked and it doesn't seem to have "snap to 0". Is there another way I can find the zero point in a wave file? Does this problem still occur if you're cutting into silence?

Also does anyone have a recommendation on some good CD burning software for the ME platform. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Stray
 
The two main CD softwares out there are EZCD Creator and Nero. EZCD Creator has earned a bad rep due to having a very flakey setup - overwriteing system files with it's own (older) versions. Despite this (or maybe because I learned how to fix it) it's the software I use the most. Nero is less popular and harder to find but works quite well, and seems to have less bugs.

If you are cutting into "true" absolute silence there would be no problem. However simply having a mic open in a quiet room is still enough to create data. I don't know how you could be completely accurate cutting a sound file, it's one of those hyper-accurate things that computer do well (if the software supports it).
 
Just wanted to drop in and say thanks to RWhite for getting me straightened out. Not only is the CD burning issue resolved but I'm finding the "snap to zero" function is very useful for editing samples and such.

FYI, Goldwave does have it (I had mentioned that it did not), but it's found under "markers" and called "snap to zero crossings" so it was a little hard to find.

Again I much appreciate the assistance.

Stray
 
eehhhhhhh............
small question........ where do you dither down to 16 bit?
 
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