Mark7
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And what would be a fair price?
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ambi
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Dual mono?
Do you mean 2 RNC units?
I believe they sell for 175 per unit at Mercenary Audio. Retail is maybe 199. It's a 2 channel unit, half rack, but both channels use the same settings.
So i guess a fair price for 2 units is 350.
Do you mean 2 RNC units?
I believe they sell for 175 per unit at Mercenary Audio. Retail is maybe 199. It's a 2 channel unit, half rack, but both channels use the same settings.
So i guess a fair price for 2 units is 350.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
A dual mono unit would be great. Since you can get 1 stereo unit for $180 the price would have to be around $225-275.
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tmix
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I agree
I'm with Tex.
Low $200s
I'm with Tex.
Low $200s
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ambi
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And they should spend the extra 3 dollars on metal and make it a full rackspace.
sweetnubs
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yes, buy ten. They are just as good as any $2,000 compressor. Why buy anything else? I'm going to sell all of my compressors and buy 50 or 60 of them, why would you not do anything less than that?
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ambi
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sweetnubs said:
Kiss me darling.
Doug Quance
2006 Cave Roast Chairman
Considering the RNC is a stereo compressor... I would rather buy TWO stereo RNC's than two mono ones...
Two mono RNC's will NOT give you a stereo compressor.
Two mono RNC's will NOT give you a stereo compressor.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Dual mono Doug. Please try to keep up with the rest of the class 
Doug Quance
2006 Cave Roast Chairman
I'm with you Tex...
I'm just pointing out that two monos will not give you a stereo compressor.
Hell, at the price... my advice is to BUY TWO!
I'm just pointing out that two monos will not give you a stereo compressor.
Hell, at the price... my advice is to BUY TWO!
Fletcher
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ambi said:
Aren't you a design genius [not]... it's not $3- on metal... it's a full second set of controls, that control a full second set of parameters [including gain reduction cell]. It's interaction between the two mono signals with a minimum of cross talk, it is in many ways more difficult to do a good dual mono unit than it is a good stereo unit.
The RNC, as it sits is either a mono or a stereo unit. Two RNC's are either dual mono, or dual stereo units. The thing is absolutely bare bones as it sits. The compression cell is very possibly the most advanced compression cell design on the market... the price of the thing is abso-fuckin-lutely ridiculously low for the things it can do and the way the unit sounds.
If you took that gain reduction cell... wrapped it in a package where you had dual mono, as well as true stereo controls, an internal power supply, a balanced input and output you'd be looking at close to a $2,000 package... being able to get 90% of the way there with a pair of RNC's for $350- is 2/3rd's a fuckin' miracle. This isn't some fuckin' 3630 here... this is a real piece of equipment that is available to you for <$200-
I know you guys relish the fact that you live in a bargain basement world... but c'mon. I've taken RNC's on gigs where they were in a rack between a GML 8900 [>$5k] and a Crane Song LTD. STC-8 [a hair <$4k] and they worked very nicely... you brothers should consider how fuckin' lucky you have some of this stuff... $225-$275... fuckin' spare me will ya.
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ambi
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Well granted i have no idea what i'm talking about, but what i meant was.
Just a regular RNC, exact same components and exact same knobs and everything, but just put it in a bigger box so that it fits a full rack space.
Would that cost a lot more, or just the extra money for the metal to extend it to a full rack space,
Just a regular RNC, exact same components and exact same knobs and everything, but just put it in a bigger box so that it fits a full rack space.
Would that cost a lot more, or just the extra money for the metal to extend it to a full rack space,
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Harvey Gerst
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funklogic makes a nice front panel that holds two RNCs and it's full rack width size.
Light
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sweetnubs said:
Well, you were going to have to start talking out of your ass again sometime.
It is not trying to replace ever compressor out there. It is trying to provide (and does) a really fucking good compressor for a really low price. It is not a Distressor, not is it a LA-2A, or anything like that. It is a really clean, basic compressor. Invaluable, to say the least.
Light
"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
Light
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As to the question at hand, why bother? For what you for the RNC, just buy two and you have not only two mono compressors, but two stereo compressors as well. It is not like it could be made cheaper that way.
Light
"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
Light
"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
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Recording Engineer
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Fletcher said:
Hauoh... Now THAT sparks some thought... Taking the gain reduction cell out of an RNC and having someone design a new compressor around it... Just to see what the results would be... Know just the perfect custom company to do the job too! It wouldn't be economical at all and the result may not be as worth it as it might sound, but if I had a couple grand to blow just to see what the result would be, I would! The thought DOES flatter me that much!
So anyone want to fund the experiment?
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Fletcher said:
I agree with you but if FMR were to make a Dual Mono unit (he never mentioned balanced, etc.) it would have to be significantly less than 2 stereo RNC's or you would be a fool to buy one. $300 or more would be pushing it.
If we are talking fully balanced, internal PSU, etc then I could see a Pro version going for close to $500. FMR set their own prices so don't get bitchy with us for expecting the same type of value out of their other products.
Fletcher
New member
TexRoadkill said:
Well it's pretty obvious that you've never been involved with 'low volume' manufacturing... at any level.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Fletcher said:
I actually prefer to make a profit in my business. That's why I don't sell audio gear anymore. While I appreciate your attempt at a minor insult that really isn't needed here. We tend to prefer actual communication over the pissing contests that you guys have on your forum.
I'm not saying a Pro version isn't worth $2k. I'm just saying based on what the current RNC goes for, a newer dual mono to be successfull in the same market would have to be less then the price of two current RNC's. I would say that is marketing 101 and I'm not sure why you seem so offended at that.
If you guys are talking about a super duper pro version that will be competing with Distressors etc then, great. Just don't expect a lot of sales from the broke ass 'home reccer' crowd. I'm guessing that is FMR's core market but I could be mistaken.
Fletcher
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Yo Tex... my comment wasn't meant as a 'minor insult'... it was meant as a realistic statment. You have obviously never been involved with 'short run manufacturing'. If you had ever been involved with 'short run manufacturing' you would have understood how utterly impossible it would be to accomplish your request.
Having run a 'short run manufacturing' firm, having worked very closely with 'short run manufacturers' for the last half dozen or so years, I have a pretty good idea of what is, and what ain't feasible.
That kind of version couldn't go for $500... well I guess it could, but Mark and Beth [Mr. and Mrs. "FMR"] would probably be homeless inside of 6 months if they did it.
I'm quite sure a 'dual mono capable' version of the current RNC [unbalanced, wall wart] could be done for around $500, or very probably even less, but when you get into things like 'internal power supplies' and even 'electronically balanced' I/O's... you're talkin' beau coup bucks... it would cost more than $500 to make a unit that had all those features... which where I come from, ain't economically feasible
Aside from the design and manufacture of that kind of item... once you get into shit like 'internal power supplies... you're now talking about "UL" or at very least "CE" certification... which is a piss hole in the snow if you're making 250,000 Panasonic TV sets, and a major leauge expense if you're making 1500 RNC's.
Yeah... they set their price on the RNC, and the RNP. BTW, FMR actually lost money on the first couple dozen units of the RNP that were delivered... it wasn't until all the "bugs" were found, corrected, and production was stabalized that they were able to realize a modest profit on the units... no shit.
What you proposed was an entirely different unit, one with features and functions that far exceed their current product line.
Much to my dismay [and FMR's detriment], Mark McQuilken [FMR's chief cook and bottle washer] is quite adament about the street pricing on the RNC and RNP being the lowest it can possibly be.
Now, I'm not dismayed by their pricing because we would like to see a greater profit on the sale of these units... our margin is fine and dandy from my perspective. I'm dismayed because their oldest is about to enter college, they have another that isn't far behind... and they're going to have to struggle to put together stuff like tuition.
The fact of the matter, at least from where I sit, is that Mark and Beth have done this industry a great service and should be better compensated for their efforts. Perhaps that's just my twisted opinion... but I sincerely believe that people that are as brilliant as Mark, and work as hard as the Mcquilken family should prosper in a greater manner than they have prospered.
It's their 'hippie' sensibilities... and if that's what they want to do, and how they want to work... it's not my place to contradict them in any manner, shape, nor form. However... when someone who has never done the kind of work they do suggests that they should do ____ for ____ and it's absolutely, totally, and completely, unfeasible... as their friend, I feel it's my job to mention it.
Now... if my previous answer, which lacked the details outlined above [and I do mean outlined as the whole equasion is far more complex] irked you... sorry... but I sincerely hope you can kinda understand the full context of my previously brief remarks.
Having run a 'short run manufacturing' firm, having worked very closely with 'short run manufacturers' for the last half dozen or so years, I have a pretty good idea of what is, and what ain't feasible.
TexRoadkill said:
That kind of version couldn't go for $500... well I guess it could, but Mark and Beth [Mr. and Mrs. "FMR"] would probably be homeless inside of 6 months if they did it.
I'm quite sure a 'dual mono capable' version of the current RNC [unbalanced, wall wart] could be done for around $500, or very probably even less, but when you get into things like 'internal power supplies' and even 'electronically balanced' I/O's... you're talkin' beau coup bucks... it would cost more than $500 to make a unit that had all those features... which where I come from, ain't economically feasible
Aside from the design and manufacture of that kind of item... once you get into shit like 'internal power supplies... you're now talking about "UL" or at very least "CE" certification... which is a piss hole in the snow if you're making 250,000 Panasonic TV sets, and a major leauge expense if you're making 1500 RNC's.
Yeah... they set their price on the RNC, and the RNP. BTW, FMR actually lost money on the first couple dozen units of the RNP that were delivered... it wasn't until all the "bugs" were found, corrected, and production was stabalized that they were able to realize a modest profit on the units... no shit.
What you proposed was an entirely different unit, one with features and functions that far exceed their current product line.
Much to my dismay [and FMR's detriment], Mark McQuilken [FMR's chief cook and bottle washer] is quite adament about the street pricing on the RNC and RNP being the lowest it can possibly be.
Now, I'm not dismayed by their pricing because we would like to see a greater profit on the sale of these units... our margin is fine and dandy from my perspective. I'm dismayed because their oldest is about to enter college, they have another that isn't far behind... and they're going to have to struggle to put together stuff like tuition.
The fact of the matter, at least from where I sit, is that Mark and Beth have done this industry a great service and should be better compensated for their efforts. Perhaps that's just my twisted opinion... but I sincerely believe that people that are as brilliant as Mark, and work as hard as the Mcquilken family should prosper in a greater manner than they have prospered.
It's their 'hippie' sensibilities... and if that's what they want to do, and how they want to work... it's not my place to contradict them in any manner, shape, nor form. However... when someone who has never done the kind of work they do suggests that they should do ____ for ____ and it's absolutely, totally, and completely, unfeasible... as their friend, I feel it's my job to mention it.
Now... if my previous answer, which lacked the details outlined above [and I do mean outlined as the whole equasion is far more complex] irked you... sorry... but I sincerely hope you can kinda understand the full context of my previously brief remarks.